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    Perspective.

    No matter what tuorial I read or how someone explains I just dont get it. O course if im drawing at an angle I can do it but with picture references I can not. I dont understand how to do it with real places or the lines that make p the guidelines. Ive read tons of tutorials but it still makes no sense. Could someone help.

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    That is probably because most of the tutorials are focusing on making parallel cubes and stuff, where in real world it doesn't work that good (you probably realized by now that not everything is parallel, right?). So, you should make different vanishing points objects that are standing in different angles, here is a tutorial for it post no.7

    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...erspective+101

    You could also use this book

    David Chelsea : Perspective for Comic Book Artists

    It doesn't look good on the first look, but it contains great explanations for one, two and three point perspective.

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    I have the chelsea book just finished it it helped alot. Still iffy though.

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    Regardless of Xros having the book already, can I say that it's kind of shitty putting out a download link to the book? It's worth every cent of its price and readily available and if people want it they should pay for it.

    Can't do much more than recommend Chelsea again. Great stuff. And I recently discovered Google SketchUp, it's helping me figure out how space works, even though it's more of a small aid rather than teaching all about perspective.



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    I took this link from this forum, didn't know it's illegal. I'll remove it then.

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    Well, I can't imagine that it's legal/ethical to take a book from the net for free if it's still available through shops and downloading it hurts the artist's income. Maybe whoever you got the link from didn't think about it either. (Or it's legal for some reason but I can't imagine why, I doubt Chelsea put it up for download?)



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    I really got the book it helped I just cant transition with my own backgrounds like buildings and stuff. I think it may by a lack of ability to design on my part.

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    Just practice, build a simple block, then add windows and doors, and there you have it. Try to analyse other people's work, you'll get it once you start practicing. You can also get Andrew Loomis's Successful Drawing.

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    Linear perspective really only applies to man-made things...buildings, machines, etc. It's about parallel and perpendicular. Most houses are...most city buildings and blocks. You just have to work with perspective until it clicks...when it does it's like one of those puzzlers that once you know the answer, makes you wonder why you didn't get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffX99 View Post
    Linear perspective really only applies to man-made things...buildings, machines, etc. It's about parallel and perpendicular. Most houses are...most city buildings and blocks. You just have to work with perspective until it clicks...when it does it's like one of those puzzlers that once you know the answer, makes you wonder why you didn't get it.

    Advice: Keep it very simple...make it fun.
    I think what the OP is saying is that he can construct things from his head in correct perspective, but finds it difficult to apply that knowledge when drawing real buildings. Do we just draw what we see (if we draw accurately the perspective will surely then also be correct) or do we try to see the perspective lines on the real buildings and determine their vanishing points (something I for one find virtually impossible to do)? How do we bring together the perspective constructions in textbooks and the often far more complicated real buildings, and should we even try?

    I think this is a question similar to the one on whether, when drawing a figure from life, we should use our knowledge of anatomy or just draw what we see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kjesta View Post
    Regardless of Xros having the book already, can I say that it's kind of shitty putting out a download link to the book? It's worth every cent of its price and readily available and if people want it they should pay for it.

    Can't do much more than recommend Chelsea again. Great stuff. And I recently discovered Google SketchUp, it's helping me figure out how space works, even though it's more of a small aid rather than teaching all about perspective.
    No, when you poor and can't really afford it because of other needs, that are important for surivival. ( I am hope i didn't come off rude or mean)

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    I want a Rolls Royce, but I am poor......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deepinonespersona View Post
    No, when you poor and can't really afford it because of other needs, that are important for surivival. ( I am hope i didn't come off rude or mean)
    So not having the money gives me the right to take it for free? Sure, whatever. Because, you know, a drawing book is such an incredible necessity that I need to take it in a way that robs its author of his livelihood.

    You don't come off as mean, but as illogical.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Deepinonespersona View Post
    No, when you poor and can't really afford it because of other needs, that are important for surivival. ( I am hope i didn't come off rude or mean)
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    Quote Originally Posted by blogmatix View Post
    I think what the OP is saying is that he can construct things from his head in correct perspective, but finds it difficult to apply that knowledge when drawing real buildings. Do we just draw what we see (if we draw accurately the perspective will surely then also be correct) or do we try to see the perspective lines on the real buildings and determine their vanishing points (something I for one find virtually impossible to do)? How do we bring together the perspective constructions in textbooks and the often far more complicated real buildings, and should we even try?

    I think this is a question similar to the one on whether, when drawing a figure from life, we should use our knowledge of anatomy or just draw what we see.
    Knowledge and observation are complementary. The more you know, then more you see.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kjesta View Post
    So not having the money gives me the right to take it for free? Sure, whatever. Because, you know, a drawing book is such an incredible necessity that I need to take it in a way that robs its author of his livelihood.

    You don't come off as mean, but as illogical.
    There are these things, funded by wealthy capitalists and/or taxpayers, called libraries. .

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    The more you know the more you see, the more you see the more you learn. Then back to the more you know again lol. Seems like a cycle.

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    Guess this might take some time. Now I know why animation studios take as trips to places they reference in movies,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    Knowledge and observation are complementary. The more you know, then more you see.
    I have noticed this. Learning a bit of perspective (and anatomy) does make one look with different eyes. I think it takes a lot of practice to learn to integrate knowledge with eyeballing, and for those of us with little time to practice, it can be quite a challenge. E.g. in an attempt to improve my ability at drawing portraits, I learned a bit about the anatomy of the skull etc. Only to find that my subsequent attempts at portraits were much, much worse than the ones where I just eyeballed it. It seems there is a certain initial learning curve that you have to overcome first before the anatomical (or perspective) knowledge actually begins to help.

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    When starting out with perspective I found it all too easy to put down any block and call it a building. Sure, the perspective lines were constructed correctly i,e lined up to the horizon - but without any knowledge of what buildings actually looked like from life, how could I be sure what the block would look like from a specific angle, how far away it's vanishing points were and from what viewing distance?

    It's good to remember perspective is a tool for constructing 3D forms but not a replacement for actually observing 3d forms from life.

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    So should I check out for architectural books, and draw from life? Im kinda going for a realism/manga style of art. Sense manga in a sense is simplified realism.

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    You said yourself you've got a book on perspective. By the sounds of it I'd just stick with that for now and apply what you learn from it to drawing from life. Don't concern yourself with style yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blogmatix View Post
    =Do we just draw what we see (if we draw accurately the perspective will surely then also be correct)...
    really now?

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    Very well. I guess your right I should do style last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamber Parrk View Post


    There are these things, funded by wealthy capitalists and/or taxpayers, called libraries. .
    I never said anything bad about libraries! I just didn't think of it because here in Germany I'd never find this book (or any of the good ones only available in English) in a library.

    So OP, invest in a library card! It'll change your life! It'll open L-Space to you!



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    Your right some of these books are probably at my school hell they even have naruto dvds...

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    Try these...Very basic stuff though...Just going through perspective myself...all in practice. Hope this helps...just trying here All the best.

    http://www.ctrlpaint.com/home/2011/8...snt-scary.html
    http://www.ctrlpaint.com/home/2011/6/7/perspective.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by blogmatix View Post
    I think what the OP is saying is that he can construct things from his head in correct perspective, but finds it difficult to apply that knowledge when drawing real buildings. Do we just draw what we see (if we draw accurately the perspective will surely then also be correct) or do we try to see the perspective lines on the real buildings and determine their vanishing points (something I for one find virtually impossible to do)? How do we bring together the perspective constructions in textbooks and the often far more complicated real buildings, and should we even try?

    I think this is a question similar to the one on whether, when drawing a figure from life, we should use our knowledge of anatomy or just draw what we see.
    One has to realize when drawing perspective from life that perspective as mentioned in the books and such only happens when your head is perfectly still and your eyes are looking out onto the horizon. Any time you move your head or neck, SOMETHING WILL CHANGE. Even something as small as looking to the corner of the room will produce fish-eye distortion effect (or 5/6 point perspective) because that's how we see things.

    Bearing that in mind, one of the exercises that cleared it all up for me was drawing a 360 panorama of a room. Sit facing one wall, draw that, then slowly rotate around and draw as you go. You'll find that you get this loopy fish eye panorama strip (there is a proper technical name for all this).

    So, when we want to draw a building out in front of us, we must always be aware of our original position, the position in which we laid down our main perspective lines, so even when we move around we can still come back to that original 'setting'. At least, I've found that this was necessary until I developed a certain level of spatial awareness where, looking out on a scene, I could have an idea of the ground plane and side planes very quickly and could 'move' around in the scene inside my head (like a virtual google sketchup).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kjesta View Post
    I never said anything bad about libraries! I just didn't think of it because here in Germany I'd never find this book (or any of the good ones only available in English) in a library.

    So OP, invest in a library card! It'll change your life! It'll open L-Space to you!
    Yeah, if the library is well supplied (which isn't the case in my town ). The easiest way to get a book for me is to order one from book store, since we don't have pay pal here (seems like I'm living on deserted island, which isn't far from truth xD). Anyway, back to the topic, try to analyze some old master paintings, and you can always look at the work of forum members. If you don't understand it, draw cubes over it, and try to find the horizon line. Then try to make similar perspective, to see if you understood it. It will come to you with practice, just like everything else. The key is to sit down and work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kjesta View Post
    I never said anything bad about libraries! I just didn't think of it because here in Germany I'd never find this book (or any of the good ones only available in English) in a library.

    So OP, invest in a library card! It'll change your life! It'll open L-Space to you!
    Just playing off your quote to point out the obvious to DIOP.

    Though, I do keep forgetting this is, truly, an international site!

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