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    When you draw a major piece do you use guidelines and erase or sketch and draw over it? I feel like its tacky and newbie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xros View Post
    I feel like its tacky and newbie.
    You couldn't be more wrong.


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    Would you construct a building without scaffolding?


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    I...what? You can't be serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlebones View Post
    Would you construct a building without scaffolding?
    I've done that before. The trick is to cut and run before the entire thing comes down on top of the guy who commissioned the building. Preferably you'll do the running after you get paid, but before it comes down.

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    When you draw a major piece do you use guidelines and erase or sketch and draw over it? I feel like its tacky and newbie.
    You'd better tell Jacob Collins that, then! :

    http://www.jacobcollinspaintings.com..._ArtistMag.pdf

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    If you don't do guidelines, you can expect your work turning out a lot worse than if you did put them in.

    Also - tacky?? Interesting word choice...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xros View Post
    When you draw a major piece do you use guidelines and erase or sketch and draw over it? I feel like its tacky and newbie.
    Yes. It's more important to me to not have a picture that looks like shit than it is for me to impress people with the lack of guidelines. Once you erase the lines nobody knows whether they were there or not, but crooked eyes and lousy proportions are going to sit on that page forever.

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    Please, for the love of all that is holy, or at least stuff that is really bitchin, just draw. The answers, or at least awareness comes from the doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffX99 View Post
    Please, for the love of all that is holy, or at least stuff that is really bitchin, just draw. The answers, or at least awareness comes from the doing.
    Nonsense, it comes from putting up hundreds of "What is the secret to art?" threads here in Art Discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xros View Post
    I feel like its tacky and newbie.
    I think it's your attitude what's tacky and newbie here...

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    I'm going to play devils advocate here, I don't think Xros means to come across as someone who thinks they know better than the pros. I think he/she is just kind of new to serious art studies and the do's and don'ts of this place in general and is perhaps thinking out loud...via their pc or something.

    At least...I hope so and I also hope, Xros, that you can see by this thread how wrong that opinion is.

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    Draw from life, and make it look as realistic as possible. What do you think you should do?

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    Noah actually answered this question in yesterday's livestream. Flattened it down and painted over them very early.


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    Saw that as well, drew the basic shapes with line obviously then ditched em after getting the basic values I believe.

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    Well clearly I have gotten the wrong point across. I meant is ok to use guidelines most because when I do it it feels newbie and tacky. It feels like a crutch in a sense. All of you are taking it the wrong way. I clearly meant is it ok to do it as opposed to not when doing professional work.

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    You're still not being very clear. Yes, it's OK. No, it's not a crutch. It's much more of a newbie mistake to feel that you should be able to jump directly from blank page to finish in one shot.


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    No, you're not really getting the point of the responses. Yes, it is not ok to use or not use erased, implied or lightly drawn guidelines that may or may not make your work look tacky as opposed to bitchin.

    I'll try to distill the respones down for you...use whatever works. Just do it.

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    Very well. I get it. Guidelines have always been iffy. Thanks.

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    I want to use skeletons for my characters, but first I have to learn how to do them a lot better/off the top of my head. Guidelines aren't really newbish because everything has a basic structure to do things. You can choose not to use them, but I think you would have to be super accurate with the anatomy of whatever it is you're drawing.

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    Yeah you are right. I be gotten this far without them im sure they greatly help. I just feel bad when using them on major work idk why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xros View Post
    Yeah you are right. I be gotten this far without them im sure they greatly help. I just feel bad when using them on major work idk why.
    You're supposed to use the guidelines, and it's good to learn to use them.
    Just don't do a lot of tracing, past learning a little bit of line quality at the begining, tracing will hold you back on the long run. Once you become really good, you'll know when to use tracing. While learning, it may hold you back.

    With guidelines and construction lines and underdrawing, It's really good to use them. As you get much better, you may be able to use fewer of them.... As you get better, you'll learn what works for you.

    However, it's always better to make a really good drawing with help of guidelines, then a bad or mediocre one without them.

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    Right. I guess I really have been messing up.

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    No, you just need to move past these pre-conceived notions of what is right and wrong in learning to draw. Look at more work by various professionals or masters...read about how they work, read about art techniques, drawing, perspective, value, etc. And just draw. A lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xros View Post
    Right. I guess I really have been messing up.
    Messing up is good for learning - it's not a bad thing
    People who never mess up never learn.

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    I guess another issue I have is pencil in general I hardly draw with them. I mostly use pen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xros View Post
    I guess another issue I have is pencil in general I hardly draw with them. I mostly use pen.
    Start a sketchbook, and post some stuff, then people will be able to give you some more specific pointers. Pen in itself may not be a bad thing, but it depends on what you're trying to accomplish.

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    Alright ill start it after I get home tommorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xros View Post
    I guess another issue I have is pencil in general I hardly draw with them. I mostly use pen.
    One of the nice things about pen is that you can ink over your guidelines, wait for the ink to dry and erase all of the pencil, instead of having to do the erasing very carefully for a finished graphite drawing.

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    I still use guidelines. If I nail it correctly the first time in line form, I have less cleanup work to do later when I start painting and realize, "Oh crap, something's really off!" That's not only messy but time-consuming to correct.

    BTW, have you ever picked up an ImagineFX magazine? Take a gander at the professionals' art process in there. You will be surprised.

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