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    What's the point, an ACTA rant.

    Hey guys, I have some concerns and they are making it a huge problem for me to focus on my life goals.

    Like many of you, I want to work in game design as a concept artist, but the recent uprising of these festering shit piles that are PIPA, SOPA and ACTA and whatever comes next make it clear this and many other industries will have a really hard time continuing as they are, not to mention all the other problems we will have, right down to the wipeout of memes and the cheer me up thread.

    I've been worrying about if I should continue to chase my goals if this is where we are heading, maybe I'm paranoid, maybe not. I love art and being an artist but I want to be able to support myself in life as one and this fucking thing will make it a whole lot more difficult.

    Does anyone else feel like this?

    Fuck the powers that be.



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    I feel ya brah

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    The government will always bring up ridiculous laws, they always have, and it's up to the people to get together and fight it. It will pass if the people let it.
    I would pursue whatever you were pursuing, except you got to get with others against censorship and fight for your rights. Spread awareness, vote against ACTA, write to your senators.. Pain in the ass but much better than just laying down and taking it.

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    Yeah, my reaction is pretty much "I DON'T WANT TO LIVE ON THIS PLANET ANYMORE" and then hoping that somehow a massive global uprising will solve everything. Fight the good fight, or else live like sheep in a 1984-esque world.

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    This is a braindead law that was suggested what... 10 years ago!?
    The internet can't be limited like they propose as it is today and people like politicians can't see it!

    Art and games is just one small problem out of many.
    Webdevelopers and designers will have a hard time if the demand goes down and the jobmarket is already overflooded with them.
    Webshops may lose their costumers and quit.
    If Youtube is going down for like just a week to clean up, they will lose advertising support from companies who may then place advertisement other places.

    These laws gamble with billions of dollar-exchange and millions of businesses.
    Yes, they should go and fight piracy and other highly illegal activities. But not like this. Especially not how the world economy is today.

    IF they manage to pull through with this law, then I do start to believe that 2012 is going to be the beginning of the end of the world.

    Money is one thing.
    Now I have been active on/off on a forum dealing with stuff like depression, and I know they may have avatars and such that is not allowed if that law passes. If that website is going down they will have nobody to turn to because they have relied on online friends and have no network in real life. There are a lot of websites where people get valuable and even life saving support.

    I personally perceive this law as dangerous!

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    I agree, its unfair!
    Come on, give that megaupload dude his 40 cars back.
    Google cut off Megaupload's ad money voluntarily*, see that is punishment enough and they didn’t take away
    the googles dudes cars, did they?

    Jokes aside, i don't support PIPA, SOPA, ACTA
    but when i hear some of the bullshit that comes along in form of comments with all those anti bill videos
    (not talking about the comments in this thread) i wanna puke.

    The very same people who tweat about their every fart, post their very personal information in a acribic
    matter on social networks along with their semi nude bedroom photos are complaining about privacy despite
    the fact that the social networks pimp out their private info, interests and email addresses for methodical
    and focused advisement.
    The very same little developers who get fucked by companies who host illegal copies of their little apps,
    games, music and other IP's, offer themselves, in order to protect their rights, as free cannon-fodder for those ripe, well fed pigs whom you
    feed by clicking the ads and buying their premium accounts or giving them a juicy share of your revenue.

    The internet is not some free market wonderland, it is basically the very same thing we have outside the internet.
    If you want to sell your shit you will need to spend $, you need to pay the development of your product,
    you need to pay the host and then you need to pay for ADs to get some people to see your shit, and when you
    manage to sell some then you will pay those who provide you the online payment services.
    Nothing goes without marketing, advertisement is a huge biz on the internet but how does it work?
    Where is money made with ads? On your little website with 42 impressions a day? Surely not.
    It happens on sites that offer downloads, information, communication platforms, sites with traffic.
    Many are legit and hardworking businesses but many are pretty much the opposite, offering free downloads of
    pirated games, software, music, movies, you name it. Some make a killing with all the above and some generate
    some decent extra income with ads but they are not the one who make the real money here.
    Those who make the top $ are the hosts, companies like google with their ads, marketplaces like ebay,
    game portals, cash transaction services, internet service provider, social communities, messenger and other large
    scale marketing and distribution platforms.
    This all is no news of course, everyone knows it, my point is that the internet is not free,
    never was and never will be.

    I personally fail to feel sorry for companies who can afford to pay half a billion USD in fines without loosing a sweat.

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    I've been checking for news on it every hour, the poland riots have turned into an anti-gov rage and rightly so.

    Almost 1 million have signed this petition, I suggest you do too.

    http://www.avaaz.org/en/eu_save_the_.../?rc=fb&pv=279

    More news

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16757142

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain...s-on-ip-rules/

    Seems like TPP is the next head of the hydra, so many of these fucking things!

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    Interesting. Well, if it kills Twitter I'm all for it! Kidding! That's a joke, son....

    This kind of thing is quite scary...I just don't think it will work...but then again, if it did...

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    The more I think about politics the more I hate politics. We're in a weird time period where corporations have grown so large and laws/influence have grown so skewed our entire process for being represented in government is a joke imo.

    Like a couple years ago with the law allowing Corporations to funnel money endlessly into campaigns and Super PACs. But combine that kind of shit, with ridiculous laws favoring certain companies for profit, add on the fun statistics of companies that tax dodge by spending more on their lobbying than taxes which goes directly into candidates relection. Then add on even more fun of seeing something like people claiming the lower classes of society aren't paying their share in taxes then recently Romney finally himself opened up the floodgates to the investment tax rates which so many people don't even think about. So someone making 43+ mil can pay 14% taxes, and some of the biggest companies in the country can pay little to no taxes by funding candidates, but it's the lower and middle class who aren't doing their fair share.


    Money buys influence until money is rooted out of politics more SOPA's and PIPA's will just keep coming. Sadly other shit gets passed because it's not as personal as effecting everyones internet which everyone easily agrees against.

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    This makes me so fucking sick, it's like in one of those dystopian scifi books/movies. If such laws would come through our world as we know it (not just the internet itself, because the internet is a huge part of modern life) would be a different one in a matter of weeks and months. You wouldn't even be allowed to download random pictures for your inspiration or reference folders anymore or you and your household would get sued. Fuck you, fuck it, fuck, fuck, fuck.

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    I don't know if it is the worst thing in the world for people to have some of their vast internet privileges minimized. A lot of younger individuals today behave as if parts of their reptilian brains haven't developed; and the distorted sense of reality they get from so much instant gratification might be part of the problem.


    /typical old man rant (in the cyberspace age)

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    So I just heard about something worse then ACTA, TTP CLICK HERE

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    Holy fuck, they just want to destroy everything about the internet
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    Data caps have been around for awhile if I'm not mistaken, different companies have different approaches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlightedArt View Post
    Data Caps: Go cry, NZ has Data Caps all over the show. ;P
    So does South Africa - our infrastructure isn't all that developed yet, so internet is expensive here.

    As for all these laws, I don't think any of them can be very effectively enforced, and thus they may as well not exist. It will be the "war on drugs" all over again (and the war on porn and the war on commies etc.) It will inflict some harm on society and will then be repealed or no longer enforced.

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    I think one of the issues is it may not be enforced on a majority but people in power can use it to target certain people/organizations if they do something against them. Making it one step harder to organize and communicate if people are truly being oppressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .empyrean. View Post
    This makes me so fucking sick, it's like in one of those dystopian scifi books/movies. If such laws would come through our world as we know it (not just the internet itself, because the internet is a huge part of modern life) would be a different one in a matter of weeks and months. You wouldn't even be allowed to download random pictures for your inspiration or reference folders anymore or you and your household would get sued. Fuck you, fuck it, fuck, fuck, fuck.
    Empyrean, I was thinking the same thing. It's like as if William Gibson's 'Neuromancer' is coming true, plus every single cyberpunk I've read or seen (Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, anyone?) where the big corporations control politics and everything just for the profit and scrap aside the common people. Eventually, seeing that science fiction turning into reality won't be something far-fetched and it'll be scary as hell when it hits.

    Which is why no matter how many of these they fling at us, no matter how futile the fight may seem, we have to fight back. If we lay down and take it, our countries in tandem will embody a nightmarish world like '1984' and then we'll suffer. Right now we have voices. We can protest, so let's do so before they try to strip that right away (considering in the US, both sides seem to be shredding the Constitution for their own means). Free speech, right to assembly, right to protest. Do it online. Do it live, if it's possible. Just don't shrug it aside and think it's nothing.

    Dictatorships don't rise up overnight. Let's not be like Winston Smith years down the line, wondering when the government(s) flip-flopped wars and events and inventions in their history books and that we're now too helpless to say otherwise or know better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JFierce View Post
    I think one of the issues is it may not be enforced on a majority but people in power can use it to target certain people/organizations if they do something against them. Making it one step harder to organize and communicate if people are truly being oppressed.
    Thank you. I personally don't care much about not being able to download shows I want to watch or music I want to hear anymore, that's not why ACTA scares me, although that does suck. ACTA scares me because it's the perfect way to silence information certain powerful people may not want to be widely distributed.

    I think after things like the Arab Spring and the Occupy protests, governments are realizing what an incredibly powerful tool the Internet is, and are also realizing that they don't understand it as well as the people do, and that puts them at a tactical disadvantage. They want to take this tool away from us before it's too late for them. I find it really hard to believe this is just about not letting people download Desperate Housewives.

    We need a tinfoil hat emoticon.

    Also it's discouraging for me too, when I think about where the world is heading and how it's changing. It's hard to feel the motivation to do anything at all when you feel so small and helpless against massive powerful forces. I mean, I'm still doing my thing and drawing every day, but part of me thinks, "What's the point? Eventually I won't even be able to share and distribute my art. It won't even be an issue after a decade or two, I'll probably be too busy trying to survive along with everyone else once all our coastal cities get flooded and it's impossible to grow food, wheee!"

    Reading the news & staying informed about shit that's actually happening is depressing and exhausting, and I can fully understand why a lot of people just tune out and choose not to hear it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by littlebones View Post
    It won't even be an issue after a decade or two, I'll probably be too busy trying to survive along with everyone else once all our coastal cities get flooded and it's impossible to grow food, wheee!"
    lulz what? That was out of left field...

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    Haha yeah it was, sorry! I get to thinking about ACTA/SOPA/etc.. and then my mind immediately goes to all the other ways the governments/humans in general have totally shit the bed, and I just recently watched the rather bleak ending to the show Frozen Planet... Like, even if we defeat these bills and the internet keeps going as it is, there's just so much to say "what's the point?" about.

    But you know, that's a bad attitude and I try to avoid the thought process because it's just depressing. I tell myself, nothing matters anyway because eventually the earth will be swallowed up by the sun and all the art that was ever made by humans will be destroyed, so fuck it, make all the art you can.

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