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    How to get most out of vilppu lectures + Book

    Hi,

    A friend of mine generously gave me a set of vilppu lectures.

    Its a set of Anatomy and Figure drawing videos. Currently I am watching the anatomy lectures which are quite helpful.

    How do you old artists advise as what should be my approach to the lectures ?

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    I'm gonna just throw this wild idea out, but if you got books, you read them and do the exercises. If you have videos you watch them and also do what he suggests.

    The other idea is to just place them in a corner every night and just place your hand on them hoping to absorb the knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arshes Nei View Post
    The other idea is to just place them in a corner every night and just place your hand on them hoping to absorb the knowledge.
    Nope. Keep them under your pillow during sleep...

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    Quote Originally Posted by eezacque@xs4all.nl View Post
    Nope. Keep them under your pillow during sleep...
    And then you see your future spouse in your dreams that night...

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    hahahaha

    no Actually my question is whats better approach, Following what he does or watching the lecture and trying to draw from memory?

    We can't say it as a book but more of a guideline, As there are no set formula in art so that's why I am asking as in what way I will learn the most?

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    Make a bubble-gum sculpture of vilppu, put some candles around it, and pray to it every night before going to bed... that or you can actually open the book and get to work.

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    Guess I should get back to work instead of messing around on internet. Thanks.

    On a side note I always try to stay away from this forum because of @TinyBird and @Arshes Nai specifically as they always humiliate me whenever they have a chance. I know I sometimes ask stupid questions but instead of guiding me to right direction I am always humiliated. Now I feel so ashamed of posting here.

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    Dont take it personal.. just look around the forum, this actually happens quiet often when there is a question like this.. and what can i say? its fun to see what people come up with in threads like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rem92 View Post
    Dont take it personal.. just look around the forum, this actually happens quiet often when there is a question like this.. and what can i say? its fun to see what people come up with in threads like this.
    My point is having (some) authority on a subject doesn't grant you permission to humiliate who wish to learn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NajamQ View Post
    My point is having (some) authority on a subject doesn't grant you permission to humiliate who wish to learn.
    I'm stating the obvious, and added humor to it. If you feel humiliated it's more of a personal issue. I don't go out and try to "get users" - I don't even know you.

    However, Books and videos are pretty obvious for what they do. If you don't understand what's being said - well then ask the question about the wording or concept being talked about in the book. But this hand wringing like there's a best method? What, you're trying to get this in one shot? Good luck with that - you're going to make a mistake when learning sooner or later because it's part of the process. Try the obvious solutions first, then if they don't seem to work come back and ask questions about more specifics.

    I'm sorry if this humiliates you. But try and do, before worrying so much about the approach. It's like I get this visual someone is physically shaking with terror when they make the first stroke on a canvas/paper. Really, is it going to hurt so much if you fail quite a bit? Quite honestly ALL of us had to put up with it as artists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NajamQ View Post
    On a side note I always try to stay away from this forum because of @TinyBird and @Arshes Nai specifically as they always humiliate me whenever they have a chance.
    Trust me, I won't come to humiliate you to your Sketchbook. Maybe you should update it

    And I agree with Arshes, especially since most of your threads you create seem to spin around of "tell me how to do X" when the thing you need to do is practice. Any theory we can give only goes so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NajamQ View Post
    Guess I should get back to work instead of messing around on internet. Thanks.

    On a side note I always try to stay away from this forum because of @TinyBird and @Arshes Nai specifically as they always humiliate me whenever they have a chance. I know I sometimes ask stupid questions but instead of guiding me to right direction I am always humiliated. Now I feel so ashamed of posting here.
    Haha Arshes Nai I must remember that one. Nai is a very rude word in afrikaans. Seriously though, you let this: humiliate and shame you? Wow!

    TinyBird and Arshes Nei may seem like a couple of ball busters, but that's only because they are. But you can count yourself lucky that they offer their no frills and no BS advice on these forums.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    Art is serious business, it's no place for the delicate.
    "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."
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    Hmmm, so Ayn Rand ripped off Eleanor Roosevelt!!!

    (Oh, teh irony!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TinyBird View Post
    Trust me, I won't come to humiliate you to your Sketchbook. Maybe you should update it

    And I agree with Arshes, especially since most of your threads you create seem to spin around of "tell me how to do X" when the thing you need to do is practice. Any theory we can give only goes so far.
    Sorry to hit you directly, you have been quite helpful in the past. Although I am not arguing on the suggestions and guidence but I felt like if you ask your teacher a question, and he/she tell starts to joke on you before telling you the answer. Good for a source of laughter but bad for self respect.

    Nai did the same, now next time if I post something everyone who saw my threads will think like "oh look! Idiot is back.''.

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    Fer Gawd's sake just don't do the wrong thing! The Horror...THE HORROR!

    Edit: Don't take it too personally Najam...we're all just having fun...just try to laugh along.\

    Edit II: Personally, with the Vilpuu books and videos? You'd get the most out of them by passing them on to someone else also. D'oh! That's right...that's what I said. But since you have them, might as well watch 'em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NajamQ View Post
    Nai did the same, now next time if I post something everyone who saw my threads will think like "oh look! Idiot is back.''.
    That may have more to do with the inability to look at the difference between and e and an a :/

    Also again, no one is really out to get you, but the more you make a big deal of things, this "self fulfilling prophecy" kicks in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NajamQ View Post
    ...but I felt like if you ask your teacher a question, and he/she tell starts to joke on you before telling you the answer. Good for a source of laughter but bad for self respect.

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    Mmmm... yea you wouldn't expect a teacher to do that... but internet strangers? you can expect all sorts of crap to come your way at any moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NajamQ View Post
    I felt like if you ask your teacher a question, and he/she tell starts to joke on you before telling you the answer.
    That might be why teachers are actually paid to do this. Though if I had asked my teacher help without even trying out the problem/task myself, at least my math teacher would have made a comment about that... I mean you can't always rely on a teacher or other people to come out and tell you how to do something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TinyBird View Post
    That might be why teachers are actually paid to do this. Though if I had asked my teacher help without even trying out the problem/task myself, at least my math teacher would have made a comment about that... I mean you can't always rely on a teacher or other people to come out and tell you how to do something.
    I'll just say while there are a lot more bad students out there....to say a teacher wouldn't "ever" do that simply isn't true in regards to NajamQ's post. It also depends on where you go to school and what instructors you get. Amazingly teachers are people too.

    I remember the horror stories where the school I went to for art previously had instructors (of course these instructors are no longer there but it has happened) where they'd tear down your piece during crits saying things how it was too horrible or they thought the piece being put up was a joke.

    Remember being paid in certain institutions (and I'm definitely not saying all schools - but I went to a for profit) will have other motivations. After all if you know most of the students won't make it in an art school - you still want to keep them there as long as possible so ...you get paid and the school still makes money. I know teachers that would pass students instead of giving them the truth. I know I was part of that system and I wish some of the teachers were little more truthful and telling you how hard this is vs coddling.

    That being said, even in art schools and especially the good ones at least look at your portfolio first, and see if you are actually interested and the ones that think art is some easy ride. A good instructor will also remind you to get good, it's going to take a "lot of you" to get there and make this a career. Meaning, a lot of this is your willpower and lot of self study because a teacher can help and help quite a bit, but can't be there for you 24/7.

    Now if you aren't doing this for a career and fun instead? Well what are you so worried about the best method?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arshes Nei View Post
    That may have more to do with the inability to look at the difference between and e and an a :/

    Also again, no one is really out to get you, but the more you make a big deal of things, this "self fulfilling prophecy" kicks in.
    I did that explicitly and see you can't even ignore someone using a instead of e in your name, yet you choose to criticize others believing they will take it easy ? .

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    This thread just got real pathetic, real fast. NajamQ, you are just trolling now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NajamQ View Post
    I did that explicitly and see you can't even ignore someone using a instead of e in your name, yet you choose to criticize others believing they will take it easy ? .
    how old are you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Star Eater View Post
    This thread just got real pathetic, real fast. NajamQ, you are just trolling now.
    Guess I am. Sorry.

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    Getting back to the original question - sort of. You get out what you put in. You have to figure out yourself what helps you the most and what doesn't. It can take a while for the penny to drop or you might find something better. Watch them, listen, you might learn, you might not.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Spot View Post
    Getting back to the original question - sort of. You get out what you put in. You have to figure out yourself what helps you the most and what doesn't. It can take a while for the penny to drop or you might find something better. Watch them, listen, you might learn, you might not.
    Thanks, I am filling in my sketchbook which looks kind of scribblings but slowly getting the idea. I have real difficulty in getting the three quarter view right.

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    Hey NajamQ, I studied the hell out the vilppu books and videos.

    Heres some of my suggestions. I started with drawing manual while concurrently watching the drawing manual series.

    So I would read chapter 1, draw all the drawing in chapter 1, then watch the first lecture. Then read and copy chapter 2, and watch the second lecture.

    Sometimes I would watch the lectures a second time and copy all the drawings he was doing.

    One thing to remember, people learn by imitation. They look at the expert and copy the person until they get it themselves. This applies to a karate kick or hammering a nail.

    I would try to hold the pencil the way vilppu did, and copy the way he put down stokes, everything. Its hard to get that in a book.

    I think I got a lot out of vilppu in that way.

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    Thankyou @Immortal, I was doing it the other way around, I also found his Anatomy lectures to be most helpful. Since I am aiming for Concept Art so its more relevent to use gestures than using stiff head count method. Also reading books on Anatomy is useless untill you know what you are looking for but Vilppu made it easy.

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    Copy the master can only get you so far, copy is acceptable but only to a certain extend.

    You have to analyse according to his book and videos. "My take on what he meant by that is" don't just do line for line on the paper/tablet etc. Actually look at the flow of the figure be it sitting, standing, in motion. If you can see the flow in your mind clearly then you just have to train your arm to put it on the paper/computer.

    I find that actually looking at the figure/reference material for a while before starting helps rather than diving straight in with the pencil and paper.

    After you feel comfortable, try and draw some action/gesture from memory.

    Give yourself some intervals (i.e 2 mins, 5 mins, 10 mins etc).

    This is kinda common sense and obvious but the more careful you are with your drawing the more accurate it will be.

    I also find that drawing the basic forms helps a lot (sphere, cylinders, boxes, ellipses, cones), these are basic building blocks which helps you understand the shape of a figure and how they interrelate.

    The hardest hurdle (at least for me anyway) is getting discouraged and having too high expectation of your drawing.

    We have a lot of tools at our disposal, imagine Michelangelo and Da Vinci's era who only had a slab of marble/rock + hammer and chisel. These days we've got, cameras, tablets, anatomical model for references (better than dissecting dead bodies).

    Good luck, hope it works out for you.

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