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    A Little Test of Your Art History Knowledge

    Okay, so I've been viewing the boards this vacation, and I haven't seen much activity. Here's a question that may spark some good conversation.

    So, I figure we can all agree that in in art some ideas are better than others, and some artists are better at the craft than others.

    Can anyone think of some examples of a really bad idea for an artwork, made exceptionally well? And conversely, can you think of a really good idea for an artwork made terribly wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TASmith View Post
    Can anyone think of some examples of a really bad idea for an artwork, made exceptionally well?
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    "After the war, a U.S. soldier pierced the painting with a bayonet. It was then transferred to the U.S. Army Art Collection, German War Art Collection, where it remains to this day."

    Bayonet and all, hopefully.

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    Wow. Well I wasn't expecting that, but great example! Any others? Maybe non-political?

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    Here's a good example of a Waterhouse imitation done badly. (Scroll down)

    http://conceptart.org/forums/showthr...=116934&page=2

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    Quote Originally Posted by TASmith View Post
    ...And conversely, can you think of a really good idea for an artwork made terribly wrong?
    The leaning tower of Pisa? There could be an agrument that what's "wrong" about this is what made it famous.

    As for the 2-dimensional variety, there are many works where the idea for it was better than the execution, any student can tell you that. Some where being "wrong" was the whole idea (see "bad art.")

    Albert Pinkham Ryder did just about everything "wrong" in terms of method that an oil painter could do. You might consider artwork made with poorly chosen materials. Van Gogh, for example, used cheap paints and non-lightfast pigments. Lautrec painted on cheap cardboard. Bierstadt experimented with graphite pigment. Gainsborough's paintings were so heavily thinned that most of the pigments dusted off.

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    Marc Chagall.

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    Which works by him? Everything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TASmith View Post
    Which works by him? Everything?
    IMHO...at least everything I've ever seen by him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kev ferrara View Post
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    Marc Chagall what Jeff?

    Are you kidding Kev? Those paintings define bitchin'. Areola Borealis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffX99 View Post
    IMHO...at least everything I've ever seen by him.
    This was the original question:

    "Can anyone think of some examples of a really bad idea for an artwork, made exceptionally well? And conversely, can you think of a really good idea for an artwork made terribly wrong?"

    So in which of these two categories would you place Chagall?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcarman View Post
    Marc Chagall what Jeff?

    Are you kidding Kev? Those paintings define bitchin'. Areola Borealis.
    Marc Chagall...great ideas...with such poor execution. But remember...just IMHO...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcarman View Post
    ...Areola Borealis.
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    Jeff, I guess I am just a believer in the craft fitting the content and for me Chagall does it. But mine is far from the deciding opinion.

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    Chagall had a long career with an evolving style. I liked the few early works I saw of his, but his final epoch Adam & Eve series, shown in Nice, seemed sloppy to me.

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    edit: Megaman. Thought it would be labelled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by armando View Post
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    I recognize that pic.

    Needed the critique section for THAT one!

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    Well I don't know about BAD ideas..

    But some old master stuff is hilariously weird seen out of historical context or without really knowing what the story is about..

    Bronzino's Allegory springs to mind...



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    Odd Nerdrum's ideas can be pretty damn weird too...









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    but then, he is a fan of Rembrandt





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    As for really bad ideas... I guess I just never got the point of photo-realism like Gerhard Richter did it.



    that is an oil painting. Why? I don't get it.

    (But I rather like this one.)

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