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    Just a thought: Warhol got the very same sort of critique as his work became more well known, and in comparision to classical art technique, there might be some justification there. But, it's simplicity in that respect managed to carry a fairly significant social meaning, despite it's technical imperfections as seen by some.

    Additionally, Anime carries a powerful social significance in Japan, so there is some validity to it I would imagine. Technical prowess not withstanding.
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    Anime is a set style, way of portraying figures, etc...
    Cartoons are not the same as anime... they are only limited as far as their distortion from reality by the artist's imagination.

    Do you have a problem with the praise anime artists get or the praise cartoon artists get?
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    I think as far as pro art concepts in movies film, etc.... the concepts would likely be in the chosen style of the art-director.

    I'd imagine the concept art for half life2 would have alot of proportionally realistic subject matter (when conceptualizing the people anyways)

    and if the concept artist is working on the next super mario game, he wouldn't be drawing realistically proportioned humans/animals because it doesn't really fit.

    Unless the media that was being produced was going to be in an anime-ish style... there would be little point in them drawing in that style while making the conceptual work.
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    but warhol didnt have millions of children copying his style amateurishly
    [I am a member of the Middle Class!]

    You can view my lurrvely new sketchbook here: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...d.php?p=507266
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    i see style choice as one more technique to give away information about the character.

    character for a military shooter in the line of the rainbow six games? style that fits best is something that looks realistic.
    character for a fantasy tactical rpg like ff tactics, advance wars or disgaea? not so easy... the whole concept of the game universe somehow dictates what style kind of characters can live in it.

    style also tells about the game, the whole scenario it is set in. proper style choice is just as much a detail to character design as costume details are.

    as for technical prowess:
    of course, there is more craft work in a fully rendered naturalistic drawing. the amount of sheer prowess is however the same as in a well done cartoon. you wont be able to draw your cartoon figure from every angle as long as you dont know what it looks like from every angle (same with anime btw... so much for anime being constructed flatly - not neccesarily).
    did you ever try capturing the very essence of a character in a strictly simplified drawing? in a naturalistic drawing, you can escape down the route of endless detail. this route, however is not available in cartoons. you can only draw a few shapes and features and they have to sit on the spot to tell their story.
    cartoons and naturalism are two different disciplines - they are related somehow but they strife for completely different goals.
    that is why the comments vary in threads:
    a cartoon/anime drawing is clear to focus on essence, stylization and such things, whereas anatomical correctness and trueness to detail is something the naturalist looks for.

    if you dont find anime tangible at all, take a look at prom's megaman redesigns.
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    on fire

    This thread put me on fire !!!!!:evilbat:

    Anime style is so easy to copy for most people
    because all the VISUAL INFORMATION has been
    analized and STYLIZED so with so few
    stroke lines you can obtain an expression and
    feelings that would be so hard to make
    with realistic images thats why new artists are
    attracted to this powerful style of expression

    its simple easy and you obtain good results
    in so little time and also some quality... and
    doing realistic is hard, you have to practice
    and study hard

    I in a far future i would i like to do anime style
    because thats what i love and like and now
    when i try to do it, i find it EXTREMELY difficult
    to accomplish such stylized and beautiful
    anime drawings, but the anime
    manga artists that i like are ACADEMIC
    and i am almost sure they practice figurative
    art, and YES theres a loooooot of anime crap
    but there are great artists too and good animes

    Drawings are "PLAIN" because of Japanese
    art culture, check Japanese art history and
    they tend to express more with so little...

    and Akira Toriyama is not mediocre he is
    for me the SHONEN manga KING of Japan
    his sories are fun to read and has great
    purity and technique and has one of the most
    original character style in the world !!!!!!!
    everyone recognizes him, why would he be
    mediocre....

    And some say thats anime is Plain, well
    i dare you to do some ""Plain characters
    like the ones ahead
    and rotate them, give them
    personality , depict age, mood,
    etnicy, angle of camera
    etc, etc, etc..." with so few lines
    (even though i know some CA members
    could do it :eek: and even better)

    Satoshi Kon is one of my personal Heroes
    and i wish i someday would be as good as him
    heres some of his drawings:

    http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~xw7s-kn/chara03.html
    http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~xw7s-kn/chara02.html
    http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~xw7s-kn/chara06.html
    http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~xw7s-kn/chara12.html

    http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~xw7s-kn/pictures.html

    please continue the discussion its interesting

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    Re: on fire

    Originally posted by gaboartpage
    and Akira Toriyama is not mediocre he is
    for me the SHONEN manga KING of Japan
    his sories are fun to read and has great
    purity and technique and has one of the most
    original character style in the world !!!!!!!
    everyone recognizes him, why would he be
    mediocre....
    Hey dude, mediocre was probably just a poor choice of words. I certainly don't think he sucks, I used to LOVE dbz with a passion. It was just the first name I could think of that I didn't like anymore. Yeah he does have a very distinct style, but its all a matter of taste i guess. I just had to post cause I thought it was funny the original poster was so annoyed by kids copying anime and getting praised for it . I mean...who cares? When I was a kid I did nothing but copy anime, and people always told me how good I was. I didn't get a big ego from it, and I eventually realized it wasn't helping me grow, so I moved on.

    The guy you posted is good, I wish I knew some of the newer artists. Pretty much the only books I read are by Rumiko Takahashi, and Katsuhiro Otomo
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    Gaussian3D, I think your insight into this issue is great. Not many people can analyse it as well as you did in that post.

    I've to add that it's easy for people to underestimate a certain style just because it has "fewer lines" or "less shades". Anime is a term used (outside of Japan) to mean the cartoons that come from Japan. And, it's not just one style. There's a multitude of them if you look carefully. Some of them are easier to draw, and some are harder. And, to draw the harder anime styles as well as good anime artists is no simple task. If you don't believe me, just try to draw Nobuteru Yuuki or Narumi Kakinouchi's style as well as them.

    As to the popularity of anime as a source for wannabe artists to copy from, think of it this way. They are just trying to draw something that they enjoy a lot, that they find beautiful and attractive. And, many of them would not even have motivation to draw anything at all if they haven't seen anime. In those cases (and I dare to claim there're many such cases), anime help them get onto the road to art that they may not have travelled otherwise.

    Yeah, I understand the feeling of seeing mediocre anime fan art getting tons of praises. That happens everywhere, though, not just with anime fan art. I read american comics when I was young. In those days, some of them have really crappy artwork. But I still see readers writing mail saying those are the best artwork in any comic. Such things occur everywhere, and frankly, it's no biggie.

    Please pardon my weak english and any grammar mistakes.
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    Umm... My thoughts. Drawing for cartoons, animation etc. takes a VERY good understanding of form. Look at Vilppu's site (www.vilppustudio.com) He's an excellent traditional artist and yet he spends most of his time teaching animators. Cartoons may be easy to copy because of there simple lines, but putting life into those lines is not simple. Try it for yourself, If you can produce a super awesome character in a few seconds like ou say then I'll eat my hat (after buying one).

    My feeling is that concept art is about the visual communication of designs and ideas. If anime succesfully comunicates these ideas then thats fine, no need for some super detailed rendering.

    Sorry if thats been said already or something and peace out mr. Hatey McJealousy man.

    [Edit]As for people not receiving crits for anime drawings, I haven't seen this happen on this board so much. But it is silly, Yes you can do a bad job of a stylised picture.[/Edit]
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    My view on this whole issue is that art whether it is anime or realistic or whatever gives people some form of expression, some people find it fun and worthwhile to draw anime type drawings, they don't have to spend hours and hours to perfect it, I also feel that some people are just too overwhelmed with the perfectionism in realistic art that it scares them.

    I also take my hat of to those that actually draw thousands and thousands of single frame anime drawings to make a movie, or cartoon... that is a feat in itself!

    atleast anime drawings can be concidered art

    What gets me are those paintings of lines or spashes of paint or a toilet roll that is at a strange angle or someone that puked in a cup or a monkey that paints with his fingers.. etc etc, and then people pay thousands of bucks for it! Whats up with that shit?

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    I am bored at work so here are my comments:

    - I've done both realistic and anime stuff.

    I like anime precisely because you don't have to adhere to propotions in real life. Your imagination is your only bound.

    Realistic stuff is fun too from time to time, to get the details down and propotions accurate, get the colors right, that is a great challenge. But y'know, it's kind of imagination-less to recreate something you saw in real life.

    It's also fast to whip up something in anime style and communicate something to the viewer. To me, there is great joy in being able to make someone laugh, make someone's day better with an image. Most realistic pictures make you go WOW LIKE A PHOTO! but cartoons are the ones that split your sides laughing, and nothing's better than laughing till you cry ;o;

    - Yes there is a lot of trashy anime art around, yeck. I think of anime as movies, there are lots of crappy movies around but there are good ones. It's such a wide and diverse area there's got to be something you like.

    - yes lots of kids like to go AWESOME COOL etc etc at any anime image they see, especially if its a character they like. I've seen a lot of horrible horrible pictures getting praised madly and it is aggravating at first.

    But it's important to remember a lot of them don't have art training either so anything remotely art is impressive to them, just like anything remotely math/science is scary to an artist

    Just shrug it off and do your own thing. It's exactly like everyone gushing over Titanic but your favorite movie doesn't get any recognition, or those modern artists getting millions of dollars for an empty canvas. Just enjoy what you enjoy, and if others don't find it as chill as you do...hey what to do right?

    - Off my head, some good "anime" style artists to check out:

    theyre hard to find images for though...so maybe you'll only see crappy images from them online but rest assured they have some amazing stuff around~ maybe i'll post some later when I get home/am bored.

    Inoue Takehiko - more realistic than most
    Hiroaki Samura - poetic, almost fine artsy at times
    That dude who did the artbook Cannabis - forgot his name
    Akihiro Yamada - like Mucha meets Anime
    That artist for Castlevania - forgot name
    Jo-Chen (www.jo-chen.com i tihnk)
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    Everyone in this thread is agreeance and doesn't realize it. The one underlying message in all posts is "anime is good when the artist who did anime learned the basics first". What I hate is the younger anime artists who only draw anime who refuse, absolutely refuse to take criticism. Then again I just hate that attitude in general so...

    P.S. I am willing to admit I can be immune to criticism sometimes too, but I normally feel guilty when I realize I have done such a thing to stunt my artistic growth.
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    this is a great thread. However, I'm going to reply to comments from pandawhipped and gaboartpage regarding Akira Toriyama.
    I couldn't believe it when you first described Toriyama as mediocre, pandawhipped, but I'm glad to see you explain your remark. And I was glad to see someone show their support for Toriyama, gaboartpage.
    We all know Toriyama's signature character design, but even his architectural, vehicular, and robotic designs are creative and unique. I know it's silly, but I'm actually turned off by the success of the DBZ cartoon (maybe this turned you off too, panda?). But I still love Akira Toriyama and the Dragon Ball manga (not to mention Dr. Slump, Sandland, his work on Chrono Trigger, and more). I'm doubly impressed w/ him because he also writes his stories, and he has such an imagination (people's hair turning yellow when they're mad??). Aside from my personal admiration, much of the current generation of manga artists list Akira Toriyama as one of their all time favorites and a major influence in their careers.
    If I come across sounding like an Akira Toriyama fanboy, it's probably because I am.
    Regarding the theme of this thread, I think developing artists can spend their time doing more constructive things than copying anime/manga (like realistic studies), but I did the same thing. As long as they're having fun, right?
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