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    Let yourself be a beginner

    I found out about this website at the same time I was really getting into drawing and sometimes I feel like I looked at my drawings at the standards of other people (which were all much better than me). So I always looked down on my drawing. While that motivated me a lot and it was crucial for my development (which is still not amazing, but i have had some development) i never let myself be a beginner. I jumped straight into the famous Bridgemans and Loomises without even understanding what form meant. I was just copying lines and things that looked sweet but I had no clue what i was doing. I recently found out I cannot do the 3d box exercise where i just draw boxes at different angles. I never let myself be a beginner to figure out really basic things like perspective. I feel like i didnt figure much out by myself and that made me not progress for a long time. One thing I wanted to say to beginners like myself is that concept art, illustration, animation, and all those other things only come way after learning fundamentals and accepting you dont know shit. I didnt accept that until I got to art school and know I am being bombarded by awesome information i had no clue existed.

    I am just a beginner. If things I said were stupid, please tell me. And share your opinions too! I really want to just talk. Sometimes I feel like there so many "matter of fact" discussions in these forums and not enough chatting about something we all love.
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    Is there a link to this website?

    I get what your saying, and it's good stuff. You mentioned a website though.

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    Haha this website is Conceptart.org. There is no other website.

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    Pretty sure he means this site lol. (Nvm like said above)

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    I hear you. I'm constantly finding myself running up against shortcomings in areas where I neglected or thought myself beyond the fundamentals. So while I think i'm pretty decent at some aspects of drawing, I'm sorely lacking in many key fundamental areas, and I find I have to keep going back and trying to master some basics that I probable should've mastered long ago.

    I think its probably natural to want to race ahead of the boring fundamentals and get to the fun stuff. That's where a strict 19th-century style academic drawing master would've come in handy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alternative View Post
    Haha this website is Conceptart.org. There is no other website.
    LOL
    I had it in my head you found some specific website.

    Derp Derp Derp Derp

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    I used to do a lot of Swing Dancing. In the Swing world, there was a saying:

    "Beginners take intermediate classes, intermediate students take advanced classes, and advanced students take basic classes"

    Something similar happens in the art world, but the levels are not so clear cut. You have to be in the game long enough to begin to realize what the basics really even are- and even further how things like learning to draw a boring box accurately is actually quite critical. Just having the realization that there's a level that was previously too big or too small for you to even notice before is an important step towards real learning.

    Congrats!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alternative View Post
    One thing I wanted to say to beginners like myself is that concept art, illustration, animation, and all those other things only come way after learning fundamentals and accepting you dont know shit. I didnt accept that until I got to art school and know I am being bombarded by awesome information i had no clue existed.
    Exactly.

    Even the most fantastic, complex or sophisticated painting or illustration starts with the fundamentals...and it shows if any are poorly understood.

    Really good anecdote there Tim!
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    Love that, dose. It's so true.

    The advanced artist paints an apple on a table and makes it fascinating.

    The beginner paints an army of space marines fighting off an alien invasion during a comet strike on a planet with two suns and makes it boring.
    I was once on the receiving end of a critique so savagely nasty, I marched straight out of class to the office and changed my major (sketchbook).

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    As for me, all I know is that I know nothing, ... .
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    I recognize myself a lot in what you wrote, Alternative. I too jumped straight into things without knowing the fundamentals, and I suffered from it without knowing it. It was thanks to CA and for having a sketchbook that people here like JeffX99 could make me understand that it was the fundamentals that I needed to study foremost more then anything because it was hindering my progress. There's a reason they're called the fundamentals.

    Also another thing that is important for beginners like me to understand is that becoming good doesn't happen after a week or two - but that it takes months and years of hard, hard work. That it is a successive development where every hour counts.
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    Whenever I start to worry about how long my progress takes, I like the think on this quote:

    "From the age of six I had a mania for drawing the shapes of things. When I was fifty I had published a universe of designs. but all I have done before the the age of seventy is not worth bothering with. At seventy five I'll have learned something of the pattern of nature, of animals, of plants, of trees, birds, fish and insects. When I am eighty you will see real progress. At ninety I shall have cut my way deeply into the mystery of life itself. At a hundred I shall be a marvelous artist. At a hundred and ten everything I create; a dot, a line, will jump to life as never before. To all of you who are going to live as long as I do, I promise to keep my word. I am writing this in my old age. I used to call myself Hokosai, but today I sign my self 'The Old Man Mad About Drawing." --

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    I agree with the original post. This is weird but with every year of studying figure drawing I realise more that the simplier I start the drawing, the easier it is to develop it further. I'm at the moment revising books about basic cartoony drawing and the brain seems to catch things faster than from some super complicated muscle diagrams.

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    I'm always going back and relearning things I think I know because the me that's learning it this time is a different me than tried to learn it the first time.

    I end up learning and understanding more each time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LORD M View Post
    I recognize myself a lot in what you wrote, Alternative. I too jumped straight into things without knowing the fundamentals, and I suffered from it without knowing it.
    tell me about it. same here. same here. the difference tho, i still suffer from the lack of fundi and have to work hard eheh.


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