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    General Animation Thread

    General Animation Thread

    There's a comic one, so why not?

    I don't know about most people, but even though I still remember the good cartoons of the 90's, my childhood was hours and hours of public domain cartoons, a lot of which are older than my own grandfather.

    Case in point, Ub Iwerks' Comicolor shorts.




    I love the bit where the two leads get hardboiled and start kicking ass.



    Disney needs to swipe all these up the same way they took all of the Oswald shorts and put out a DVD. Iwerks is part of the Disney legacy, regardless if he followed Walt or not.

    They aren't nearly as memorable as Fleischer or Clampett, but rediscovering them again brings a smile to my face.




    And you can't ignore some Tezuka. Of course the animation couldn't hope to compare to the classics of the 30s, but 60's anime has it's charm.



    Tezuka's more of a comic topic, but whatever. He's important in both mediums. One thing I find funny about Tezuka is how unsubtle he when his works tackle a theme (which is all the time). I don't mean it that in a bad way, either. I'm not saying his stuff is like Captain Planet or any kind of propaganda. I mean that it becomes blatantly clear early on what he's aiming at and doesn't let it fall into the realm of interpretation.
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    Oooh, animation! I'll be back later when I have more time on my hands but I'll just drop off a few scenes from the - in my opinion - most awesomely awesome animated film EVER. (Hint: it's The Iron Giant.) The acting's just glorious.









    I really wish there were more films like this. Disney always advertises that their films are fun for the whole family but I think that this is the kind of story that needs to be told more often. Things don't need to be dumbed down for kids. Sometimes you need to trust your young audience to deal with something sad or frightening instead of giving them sugar-coated stuff only.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kjesta View Post
    I really wish there were more films like this. Disney always advertises that their films are fun for the whole family but I think that this is the kind of story that needs to be told more often. Things don't need to be dumbed down for kids. Sometimes you need to trust your young audience to deal with something sad or frightening instead of giving them sugar-coated stuff only.
    You sure you're talking about the same movie? It's been a LONG while since I've watched the Iron Giant, but unless there was some dark alternate ending I never saw, the story is nothing like what you seem to be implying.
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    I've been LOVING the DC comic movies they've put out. It's a much needed version vs the DC 52 bs that launched. I know, I know.... but I love seeing what they've been doing with the properties in other forms.

    At first I didn't like the Avenger's Mightiest Heroes cartoon. It was slow for the first 4 episodes. Once they Assembled (ha ha) it was great. I also enjoyed how Wolverine and the X-men flowed despite some of the character designs.

    I'm still waiting for The Last Airbender: Legend of Korra (Though I like the Avatar title better, but believe there were some trademark concerns?) but I heard it may not launch till next year ;_; http://avatarthelastairbenderonline....gend-of-korra/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arshes Nei View Post
    I've been LOVING the DC comic movies they've put out.
    I've seen a few of them, but nothing really grabbed me. Which are the best?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arshes Nei View Post
    At first I didn't like the Avenger's Mightiest Heroes cartoon. It was slow for the first 4 episodes. Once they Assembled (ha ha) it was great.
    So I have to give it 5 episodes before it gets good? A few months ago I gave it a look and I hated it.

    I liked Super Hero Squad better. Sure, it was sometimes a little too childish, but there were some good bits to it. Plus you're never gonna expect to see Tom Kenny voice Captain America and Iron Man ever again.

    I still haven't really sat down and watched Avatar. I saw a few episodes when it was still new, but nothing made me want to really stick with it or start from the beginning. The only reason it's even on my list is because I hear so much praise for it that I assume I must be missing something. It's obviously well made, at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychotime View Post
    So I have to give it 5 episodes before it gets good? A few months ago I gave it a look and I hated it.
    Oh we were gonna drop watching it too, but it picked up after that. Surprise us (by us I mean me and my roommate who is a fellow artist and enthusiast).

    I usually don't bother...and I think it's anyone's right not to bother with a show that doesn't pick up on the first episode. The show has a lot of Kirby influence, in the stories and also those energy signatures often used by the characters.

    One thing that had us laughing was that Eric Loomis who is the voice actor for Iron Man can actually do a decent Robert Downey Jr playing Iron Man.

    Oh for the DC animated movies. I did like Batman Year One, All Star Superman, Green Lantern: Emerald Knights, Batman Under the Red Hood, DC Comics Presents - I believe Netflix put this under Superman/Shazam http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Su...?trkid=2361637.

    The other ones I can give or take but I did like those the best.
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    You can't talk about extremely underrated non-Disney animation without mentioning Prince of Egypt

    It's such a bummer that traditional 2d animation in this country didn't get away from talking animals and princesses until it was too late. Or even just annoying side characters...

    My god...how many movies have been ruined by annoying side characters? Thinking about those goddamn gargoyles in Hunchback of Notre Dame makes me want to fly over to Disney and go on a wild crotch-punching spree...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychotime View Post
    You sure you're talking about the same movie? It's been a LONG while since I've watched the Iron Giant, but unless there was some dark alternate ending I never saw, the story is nothing like what you seem to be implying.
    Seriously? I don't know, the Cold War is pretty serious stuff that I haven't seen in a Disney kids movie. Nuclear weapons and ditching the "never say die" sugar-coating, also criticism of the American xenophobia at the time. Maybe I haven't been exposed to the right Disney films yet, but there's none that I can immediately cite that deals with non-fantasy whatever stuff but in this way. (Maybe Pocahontas? Haven't seen it, does it handle it well?)

    Maybe we just have different opinions there.


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    To Psychotime: They did release a collection of Iwerks old cartoons in The Cartoons That Time Forgot series.

    To Wiggum: I suggest that you check out Watership Down, Plague Dogs, and Fantastic Planet.

    To Arshes Nei: I definitely want to see those DC Animated movies.

    Speaking of animated movies, has anyone else seen Ark, Renaissance, The Flight of Dragons, or Starchasers: The Legend of Orin?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FightingSeraph View Post
    I suggest that you check out Watership Down, Plague Dogs, and Fantastic Planet.
    Is the Watership Down film good? I'm madly in love with the novel and I'd hate to see it turned into something fluffy and kids-appropriate. (Or what passes for kids-appropriate these days.) I've been considering watching it but am still undecided.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FightingSeraph View Post
    The Cartoons That Time Forgot series.
    That's not Disney. It's a collection by a company calling itself Image Entertainment taking them from the public domain like anyone else.

    That's not to say that they don't respect the works. But if Disney did it they'd go all out: Remaster everything they possibly can (they'd certainly have the resources), throw in bonus features that give us a decent history lesson. Just all around the whole nine yards that I'd expect. They've done it for the Oswald shorts, they should do the same for the rest of Iwerk's work that's fallen in the public domain.

    But given how the Comicolor series was through MGM, I guess it'd have to be Warner Bros that'd release it. But that probably means never. Notice how long it's taking to get a legitimate Looney Toons/Merry Melodies collection that isn't just a "Spotlight Collection" that repeats the same handful of Chuck Jones shorts that everyone's seen a million times already? Why can't they just make a real collection like everyone else these days? They did it right for Popeye! I heard that they just released a legit and unedited chronological Tom and Jerry collection now. Before then the only good one was the collection of all of Jones' series with the characters. What's taking so long for their namesake cartoon series?

    Hell, they've got a new series out now (which is pretty decent. It's definitely a modern cartoon that does it's own thing with the characters). Why isn't there a real collection at this point?

    Speaking of Tom and Jerry, anyone remember the original duo? The Van Buren one?

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    To Kjesta: That movie was released back in the late '70s and it wasn't dumbed down at all.

    To Psychotime: I remember seeing them and a local cable channel still airs them.

    Aside from that, am I the only person on here who's familiar with Walter Lantz' cartoons? (Andy Panda, Woody Woodpecker, Chilly Willy, etc.)
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    I've had next to no interest in Lantz. The only cartoon I remember ever watching is Pantry Panic. Any really good ones?

    Never heard of Chilly Willy.

    EDIT:No wait. I have, I just didn't know that was his name.
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