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    Looking at my copy of Art & Fear...

    I bought it used. There was a lot of nice things marked with a hi-lighter.

    Only recently did I realize that the previous owner of the book signed her name on it. "Lynn Stafford - Seattle, 2007".

    Then I came across this: http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/mi...tabase/?p=1933

    Bellevue, WA ~ The 45-year-old Bellevue teacher and author, is missing after her van was abandoned Tuesday 1/13/09 on a late-night ferry run from Seattle to Bainbridge Island. Her van was unattended when the ferry arrived at Bainbridge Island. Her purse and keys were found on an upper deck of the ferry.
    UPDATE: 12/03/09 Sadly Lynn was found deceased, please remember her and family in a prayer.
    What if it's not a coincidence?

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    Then your book is haunted. Or at least you have a story to tell about your book, whether it's true or not. Could just as well be, her family may have sold her old stuff away.

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    Unfortunately, jumpers on the ferry are not rare. Pretty sad.

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    that is tragic. Winter is nearly here, fellow Seattlites and Bellevuans - time to fight off the S.A.D. once again.

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    At the risk of sounding callous, if you buy used things, you're likely to eventually own something that was once owned by someone who is no longer living.

    The fact that the person who used to own the book is dead doesn't in anyway change the book or make it more/less important. It used to be somebody else's book; now it's your book. Nothing really changed.

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    I found a ink and watercolor painting in a thrift store by a man in Seattle who is no longer alive. His story wasn't as tragic as that girl's, he just died of old age.

    His name was Ralph H Clemmons, he apparently lived with an Ila Clemmons, and he was a member of Seattle Co-Arts

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    Sometimes fear wins.


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    it's only a coincidence if you get rolled on a ferry........
    is it a coincidence? that you were both artist..... wait a i minute it never said what she taught? wait are you saying because the book is titled art&fear your spooked.......i still wear shirts that were given too me becuase the men who wore them are dead.....
    so don't fret Mon frer

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    Her ghost carried the book to a young (or old, I don't know) artist, full of potential, in the hope that someone would carry on her legacy.
    Or its a different Lynn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    Sometimes fear wins.
    I think that's a somewhat healthy approach at looking at it instead of looking at it like she was fearless and naive. She hi-lighted this on chapter 3, page 23: "When you act out of fear, your fears come true". That sentence means a lot to me more now than when I first read it.

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    Her ghost carried the book to a young (or old, I don't know) artist, full of potential, in the hope that someone would carry on her legacy.
    Or its a different Lynn.
    I don't think the book is haunted. Maybe the eerie feeling comes from human chemical imbalance + seeing these markings that I didn't create, that another person dead or alive did create it.

    I won't rule out the fact that it could be a different Lynn, but another thing that suggests it could be the same Lynn is that she wrote some questions on page 13, (The part where there's a list of doubts) like "Will my reader understand?", "Does my work offer the reader an opportunity in growth?"

    Edit: Err... 22 is kind of young... Right? D:

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    O: That's very intersting. Creepy in a cool way.
    I would be just like you reading everything she highlighted, searching for clues to understand more about her.

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    That's both interesting and sad. On the plus side this thread provoked me to buy a copy (finally!) Hopefully it'll help with getting out of my funk that's lasted since around '09.

    PS: 'Course 22 is young

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    Quote Originally Posted by velderia View Post
    I bought it used. There was a lot of nice things marked with a hi-lighter.

    Only recently did I realize that the previous owner of the book signed her name on it. "Lynn Stafford - Seattle, 2007".

    Then I came across this: http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/mi...tabase/?p=1933



    What if it's not a coincidence?
    holy fucking shit. CREEPY.

    I bought that book, i thought it sucked

    looks like she thought so too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naomi Ningishzidda View Post
    holy fucking shit. CREEPY.

    I bought that book, i thought it sucked

    looks like she thought so too
    I don't think the problem was the book, especially with all the nice notes all over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naomi Ningishzidda View Post
    holy fucking shit. CREEPY.

    I bought that book, i thought it sucked

    looks like she thought so too
    Wow. Reading comprehension FAIL.

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    if she jumped she had much bigger problems than art

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naomi Ningishzidda View Post
    holy fucking shit. CREEPY.

    I bought that book, i thought it sucked

    looks like she thought so too
    Hm, I find that very strange since to me it was incredibly useful and made me see things in a whole new light.

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    Its like one of those creepy stories.

    A boy is sitting in maths class, he is looking out the window as the cars go by on the road beside the school, just waiting for the lesson to end so he can go home. A piece of paper flutters past the window and lands on the road, he can just about make out that it's a photo of a person.
    The bell rings.
    Without waiting for his friends, the boy hurries out of class to get a closer look at the picture. He walks out into the road and picks up the photograph, it is an image of an extremely pretty woman in a red dress, her hand is by her head making the 'peace' sign.
    A truck, going way too fast smashes into the boy, killing him instantly. The driver, completely shocked, slams on the breaks and jumps out of cabin. Other school children begin to gather around. The driver rolls the boy onto his back to check if he is breathing, he isn't. In the boy's hand is a photo of an extremely pretty woman in a red dress, her hand is by her head with three fingers raised.

    DUUN DUUUUN DUUUUUUN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LORD M View Post
    Hm, I find that very strange since to me it was incredibly useful and made me see things in a whole new light.
    i guess everybody reacts differently to such things. something that makes me stop drawing forever might inspire you for years to come.

    stuff like art+fear will not likely turn you around, it rather might amplify or weaken thoughts and feelings. you won't jump if everything is fine, you just suck at drawing.

    MAYBE she thought she had to be good at some kind of art, but wasn't – and the inner conflict got her depressed. maybe.

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    Maybe it had nothing to do with art. Correlation ≠ causation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arshes Nei View Post
    Wow. Reading comprehension FAIL.
    Yeah, right, coming from someone who thinks "psychobabble" is a word they made up. Just because a book is simplistic and easy to read for someone with basic grammar skills, doesn't make it Dostoevsky. Screw this pop philosophy shit about celebrating mediocrity.

    So take your simple book, read it and enjoy it, but don't plaster insulting third grader insults on everyone who can run circles around you mentally.

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    Hm, I find that very strange since to me it was incredibly useful and made me see things in a whole new light.
    Great, well we don't all share the same personal problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naomi Ningishzidda View Post
    Yeah, right, coming from someone who thinks "psychobabble" is a word they made up. Just because a book is simplistic and easy to read for someone with basic grammar skills, doesn't make it Dostoevsky. Screw this pop philosophy shit about celebrating mediocrity.
    WOW. Reading comprehension fail. AGAIN.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arshes Nei View Post
    I'm not going to go into the crazy psychobabbledygook some people have gotten into.

    Quote Originally Posted by Naomi Ningishzidda View Post
    said the same thing about Arshes comment - dont know wtf they are talking about either since psychobabble is a term used mainly for psychiatry discussions... particularly the self-help market, dr. phil etc....

    then again they added the word "gook" so perhaps they were just expressing their distaste of asian people.
    That's ok. That's how I feel with quite a few of the posts, hence intentionally made up term. So the feeling is mutual.

    Like I said earlier in another thread, a lot of comments are similar to drunk girlfriends, and some angry drunk girlfriends.

    You say a few words and people like to go on and on....


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    Here you are, I believe this will teach you more about Fear than anything - and you may add "art" to that or anything else, carried on in a terribly jaunty American accent to make it more palatable:



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    I do not recall Art and Fear celebrating mediocrity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naomi Ningishzidda View Post
    don't plaster insulting third grader insults on everyone who can run circles around you mentally.
    it's so thick I can taste the irony

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    HI, I'M SMART.

    Anyways, that is kind of creepy but also really really sad. That poor woman. I couldn't imagine losing someone I love like that.

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    Meh... People die. Some times people die by killing themselves. Sometimes (well, let's hope) people now dead read books while they were living. Sometimes people who read books turned them into used book stores for money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naomi Ningishzidda View Post
    Yeah, right, coming from someone who thinks "psychobabble" is a word they made up. Just because a book is simplistic and easy to read for someone with basic grammar skills, doesn't make it Dostoevsky. Screw this pop philosophy shit about celebrating mediocrity.

    So take your simple book, read it and enjoy it, but don't plaster insulting third grader insults on everyone who can run circles around you mentally.

    Just because it isn't Dostoyevsky doesn't mean there isn't a value in it. In the end if it helps an individual discover something about themselves or the world, it's a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naomi Ningishzidda View Post
    Great, well we don't all share the same personal problems.
    Your sharing is a personal problem to anyone who has to read this shit. But you're right. You do run mental circles because your intellect goes no where but where it's been before.





    No, it's okay. She isn't reading this anyways.

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