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October 2nd, 2011 #1
Is "The natural way to draw - Kimon Nicolaides" woth it ?
I found this book at an old book store, I am turned off by the fact that this book needs a whole year of work to get through if you follow the excercises as they are.
Well is it worth it to spend time on this book. Where I have some free days in a week for at least 3 months and was planning on grasping the traditional fundamentals.
One thing you should note that I cannot take art classes as there are none in my area. The best I can do for now is to follow a good book on grabbing fundamentals and find a teacher afterwords for personal lessons. At least when I can afford one ( As artists also pay bills ).
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October 2nd, 2011 #3
Any help on fundamentals is grateful. Thanks.
October 2nd, 2011 #4
Also yeah, three months is very little time to try to grab anything, so I wouldn't use time as the deciding factor here.
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October 2nd, 2011 #6
Sometimes you have all the best learning meterial but nothing can subsitute a good advice from a fellow learner which can save me a lot of hurdles.
October 2nd, 2011 #7
While recently doing my post-graduate research my advisor with more than 40 years of experience in field pointed out a very basic fault in my learning process, i.e I never did emphasize on learning the very basics of my education speically mathematics, despite of having good grades and good GPA I still stuggle sometimes at most basic things.
I soon realized that over the last few years I have been making the same mistake in learning art. That is why I am going back to basics and than build my skill upon them. Call it self criticsm or accpeting my weakness, but this is where I lack the most ( at the basics ) which is causing me to hit a platue in my learning curve.
A big contribution to this lack of direction and jumping directly to advaced levels is by totally misguided tutorials available on internet or speed painting videos / drawing videos on youtube. They always give one one technique to do one thing and make you live in illusion that somehow you know everything about art by doing one technique.
I have been wrong, misguided, and have been trevelling blindly in any direction someone pointed me to. So as a result I wasted my time. Invested in wacom which is collecting dirt on my desk, bought many books but never opened them in an ego that they are for beginners.
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And what a great website you just gave me. Thanks a lot again for that, now I am greedy for more too .
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October 2nd, 2011 #10
Less planning, more doing.
Less collecting books, more reading books.
Pick a book, at this point it honestly doesn't matter which one. Read it, do the exercises if it has them, follow along and copy the illustrations/put the principles into practice on your own if it doesn't. If things don't seem to be working, making sense, or if you just plain don't like the book, pick another.
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October 2nd, 2011 #11
October 3rd, 2011 #12Jester
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I believe "The Natural Way to Draw" is a good book, but it is not very suitable for self-study. The explanations are often vague, don't give clear guidelines ("draw what it is doing, not what it looks like"?), and the examples given are not really helpful. Also, the process described, i.e. first, gesture; second, contour; third modelling, is incomplete, as it lacks construction as an essential step.
I worked my way through TNWTD almost 10 years ago, following all instructions to the letter, and developed an extremely rough and wild style of sketching, which took me years to straighten out. Recently, I picked up the book again, this time under the guidance of experienced teachers, and finally some of the things in the book are starting to make sense.
The book suffers quite a lot from the fact it was compiled after Nikolaides early death. He is probably one of the people I would love to talk to, asking him to explain what he really had meant to say. As far as I know, he does not do email?
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October 3rd, 2011 #13
I'm kinda torn about Nicolaides. I'm not going to deny his book has value, it's certainly good enough to gain the respect of a wide range of great artists. However, I think it's the sort of book that isn't for everyone. For one thing, if you've got no art experience, it's bound to be confounding. I certainly found it so. It's also much more geared to painting than drawing, leaving out things like construction and so forth and the focus on modelling the form rather than describing it in line.
I think Nicolaides is best suited for a budding painter who has enough basic knowledge to begin seeing the "skipped" steps, and used in conjunction with other sources like Loomis. It depends a lot on what sort of learner you are as well, I would imagine some respond better to the teaching style than others.
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