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    I hope you won't hate me for reviving this, but this is a video i wanted to share.


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    This whole situation is uncomfortable. I am a Norwegian fan of capitalism, yet sympathetic towards the people who are angry over ridiculous bonuses and the US gini coefficency. But I just find many of the arguments/anger of the protesters ridiculous. It is the kind of things they teach you early on in a basics economic course. "Corporate greed" is a silly phrase, and "redistribution of wealth" makes economics sound like a zero sum game. There are obvious flaws in the systems, but these mobs aren't addressing them very effectively.

    BTW, Norway is not a socialist country, neither are Denmark or Sweden.

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    The whole Occupy campaign interests me and I watch it closely yet, I worry nothing will change. I think the rich will find new ways of staying rich, cheat tax etc. etc. Its been the way of things for centuries it seems. In today's modern economy, there is something very confusing and complicated going on behind the scenes... deliberately set up in that way it seems.

    When I saw/heard this, I didn't quite know what to think.



    I think we'll have to wait and see what happens with this.

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    I worry about that too shrunkendesigner, I reckon what we need is to get back to smaller communities that help themselves and don't rely on the government for everything, including health and transport, but in return the governments of the world need to stop acting so paranoid and like they are the parents of everyone and just let us get on with it without stupid restrictions and endless beurocratic red-tape. The trouble with a global economy is it's too big for it's own good, one hand doesn't know what the other is doing and it's too easy to get lost in the red-tape and that's where the corruption comes from like he said in the video, but you'll never stop people skimming stuff off the top if they can, it's human nature, and you'll never stop growth. However, I like to think that it is also an exciting time and I'm hoping it carries on and doesn't stop and eventually new systems will spring up everywhere and this old bullshit system will be a thing of the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angel Intheuk View Post
    I worry about that too shrunkendesigner, I reckon what we need is to get back to smaller communities that help themselves and don't rely on the government for everything, including health and transport, but in return the governments of the world need to stop acting so paranoid and like they are the parents of everyone and just let us get on with it without stupid restrictions and endless beurocratic red-tape. The trouble with a global economy is it's too big for it's own good, one hand doesn't know what the other is doing and it's too easy to get lost in the red-tape and that's where the corruption comes from like he said in the video, but you'll never stop people skimming stuff off the top if they can, it's human nature, and you'll never stop growth. However, I like to think that it is also an exciting time and I'm hoping it carries on and doesn't stop and eventually new systems will spring up everywhere and this old bullshit system will be a thing of the past.
    You're right, it is an exciting time. I hope change is in the air for the western world but when and how, I don't know. I hope the right people for such a job step forward to put the right plans into action. Hope is all I have because I am ignorant to how things really are.

    I did read a really interesting PDF essay about starting your own Shadow Economy. It was basically about focusing on smaller groups and communities who band together to exchange a mutually agreed on currency outside of government currency. The idea was that if I came to yours for dinner, I have to give you something like a dinner in the future token in return. Instead of money, it was favors (remove the mob boss aspect) and the token would depreciate over time if you held onto it, so you had to keep it moving and thus, the tokens stayed in circulation.

    It was fascinating and the PDF essay cited a town in Austria in the late 30s who did something like this during a bleak recession. As a result, the town prospered and because the government couldn't tax the currency, they outlawed it and the town was in the same economic mess as the rest of the country and, as a result, also turned to that famous Jew Hater for salvation.

    Here is the link to the PDF via google. You want the top link.

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    BTW, Norway is not a socialist country, neither are Denmark or Sweden.
    Yes they are. Social democracy is also a form of socialism.

    Why anyone would label themselves "capitalist" is beyond me. The whole ideology implies that your society should be based on market values contrary to human values. It lets some people get rich but it does in no way help create a functioning society where people are healthy. The economy is a byproduct of society, not the other way around.

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    I met a group of kids from Occupy Albany on a plane ride. They told me the cops treated them horribly and constantly arrested and released them, kicked them out of public parks, and chose random sections of protestors to bully. They were very nice people too, it's a shame we can't all just act civilly.

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    I was all about this whole thing until Occupy Seattle decided to set up shop on a bridge hanging over a freeway, blocking commute for other 99%ers and blocking access to a hospital.

    After that it was pretty clear to me that "Occupy..." may be a good message, but it is entirely dependent on the goals of the local affiliate and if whoever is in charge of the local Facebook page is a nutjob or not (seeing as that is how most people seem to organize...at least with the Seattle one anyway).

    Pretty much stopped paying attention after that night....I hope the other cities are less childish with their protests.

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    I found out who started the occupy movement.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty View Post
    I was all about this whole thing until Occupy Seattle decided to set up shop on a bridge hanging over a freeway, blocking commute for other 99%ers and blocking access to a hospital.

    After that it was pretty clear to me that "Occupy..." may be a good message, but it is entirely dependent on the goals of the local affiliate and if whoever is in charge of the local Facebook page is a nutjob or not (seeing as that is how most people seem to organize...at least with the Seattle one anyway).

    Pretty much stopped paying attention after that night....I hope the other cities are less childish with their protests.

    That's a shame that they're blocking access, sounds badly organised to me. The Sheffield one is out of the way but is in a prominent place outside the cathedral in the middle of the posh working area where all the banks and lawyers are based. I chatted to a guy there in October and he was really informative and friendly and he says local sandwich shops and bakery's have been bringing them leftover food and coffee and being totally supportive. They're still there and have grown a little, which makes me smile. I've donated some food to them and wish I could do more but I'm working on my portfolio in my spare time and my need to do that is greater than the need to protest which actually makes me feel quite selfish and redundant. (or lucky that my situation hasn't got so bad that I need to protest about it)

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    Like many people i look forward to the day Bill O'Reilly finally snaps and shoots his camera man and then himself, or at least has a massive stroke, but on this i happen to agree with him

    "Winston Churchill said that democracy was the worst possible form of government, except for all the others. Maybe we can say the same about capitalism. For all of its faults, it gives most hardworking people a chance to improve themselves economically, even as the deck is stacked in favor of the privileged few... Here are the choices most of us face in such a system: Get bitter or get busy. "

    maybe one day we'll build a hyperabundant anarchocommunist utopia, but till then i prefer capitalism to the other options, like say feudalism.

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    I'm starting to feel indifferent about these protests. It's probably because I'm getting tired of hearing about them when not much has been accomplished.

    I wonder what happens when it starts to get warmer and freezing to death won't be a problem (I heard about some of the occupy camps had some snow dumped on them purposefully by police). At least cooling yourself just requires shade (which most of these parks have) and water... Rather then say, heaters and non-sun-powered generators, which the police and media seem to hate because it's a "fire hazard". Might not even need that many blankets.

    Also, I heard of a study concluding that there's a link between acts of violence and heatwaves.

    That would be interesting, not that I really want these protests to get violent.

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    America is broke, there are millions jobless, angry and confused and worried for their kids, there will be summer riots, and i think there will be cops who get scared and start shooting. the riots in the UK where kids stole laods of trainers and a carpet shop got burnt down will be like kindergarten compared to the tooled up US where there are like 687,000 guns for every citizen or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velocity Kendall View Post
    America is broke, there are millions jobless, angry and confused and worried for their kids, there will be summer riots, and i think there will be cops who get scared and start shooting. the riots in the UK where kids stole laods of trainers and a carpet shop got burnt down will be like kindergarten compared to the tooled up US where there are like 687,000 guns for every citizen or something.
    Yay end of the world...

    Like, I'm starting to wonder if the 2012 thing was at least partially true.

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    im more worried about 2030 - 2080 to be honest. if we can make it thrugh that without a giant nuclear war or a collapse into a dark age then hopefully we'll have a few hundred million people living off earth and we ought to be OK.
    eggs and baskets and all that.

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