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    I'm not sure you're still interested in critique regarding the original picture, and, furthermore; lots of people already pointed a lot of stuff out. Nonetheless, I'm just going to add that I think the picture needs more work concept wise. I realize that its a picture of a fantasy scenario, but it still feels like you've mixed too many different cultures into it without adapting to another one.

    I think this is why, apart from the strictly technical errors, the image looks a bit odd. You've got the renaissance/classic statues, standing in front of what looks like a gothic or maybe victorian (unsure) metall fence, above which floats a summerian/egyptian pre classic age throne, and It just doesn't work.

    Looking at the wanderers approaching the gate, I get the feeling that they are exploring an ancient place, now desolated, (partly also because of how worn down the statues are); but I just can't picture any civilization or culture ever having put together such a mish mash of different styles. I think that you should shave more of an intuitive grasp over the concept or background present before you get to actually painting, just so that the picture becomes coherent (not demanding realism though).

    And finally, I think you would find it a lot easier to get the scale right if you studied a little historical architecture and bought yourself a reference book with historical buildings, because there are lots of things which distinguish really huge buildings from smaller ones, (different forms of supportive structure being one example).

    Furthermore if you did this you wouldn't need to throw in arbitrary stuff like the chains which do not seem to fill any function, but rather details that tell the viewer something.


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    You are absolutely right. The reason why you feel confused when looking at the image is because I didn't put enough thought into it as always. I just launched right in. I have a difficult time just sitting down and thinking about the piece for some reason..

    Here is an update on the triple portrait. Hopefully I am done!
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    I like what you've done with the mother. The girl's teeth are what stand out the most, when your reference shows that her eyes are much darker round the edges with the false eyelashes. Tone the teeth down and emphasise those eyes. You've also softened the father's face to the point where he's lost all the planes of his head. Put a box around his head.

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    sorry i only had like 3 minutes but heres some (super messy) suggestions
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    About the 3 people portrait: The photographer in me is crying that you copied a photo that uses on-camera, front-lit flash – one of the most unflattering types of lighting.

    It's also really unfortunate light to draw from, because it flattens the face and makes it really hard to see form. You've done a pretty good job rescuing that here, but flash like this has other undesirable qualities. It's very unnatural (the sun never lights people from directly behind the viewer's eyes ), and the associations are with amateur photos of celebrities and people at drunken parties where it's too dark to get a sharp picture.

    You've also tried to hide where the light is coming from by moving the catchlights to the right, which again looks a bit unnatural/inconsistent. (Okay I imagine you moved them because they look nicer there, which they usually would, but with that strong an indication of direct front light it's a bit 'off'.)


    Given this thread has been about struggling with form and lighting, it might be worth learning some basic photographic portrait lighting (look up these types of lighting: Split, Rembrandt, Butterfly, Loop – also rim lighting to add oomph). Playing with this lighting in real life, moving a lamp around a subject, taking pictures to see what looks better.. this stuff can help you go further than copying photos by knowing what photos to copy, and what to look for in a photo. So you can still do it the 'cheap' way if you want or don't have time, you'll just get away with it more.


    Disclaimer: I don't especially condone tracing – I think working out the structure and all the other stuff people have been saying in this thread will lead to the best results and be the most interesting to both do and view – but if you're going to do it then learning what makes a good photo will help.
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    What do you mean by tone her teeth down and put the box around the father's head?

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    I have taken a few of your suggestions! I added the extra volume to the girl's head, and I also added green hues to the background and the mother's outfit. I am wondering though, how did you bring out the green hues the way you did? I tried color balance at first and it didnt give me your effect. In the end I settled for a color layer and an overylay layer, but it still doesn't look like yours.

    I couldn't agree with the changing of the mothers and girl's mouths though. If you recal from earlier, the contour of my linework was blatantly traced over the photo like a complete cheater, so I know at least that the placement of things is right. What made you change the mouths?

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    I absolutely agree about the flash photography and it's unnatural treatment of forms. In fact people say amateurs like me have no business using photography even if it is good! Apparently working from life amounts to less confusion.

    I however didn't have a choice and was told to make that photograph so I did.

    What is a catchlight? You said I moved it to the right.

    I will definitely look up those lighting types. And I hope the photo I created of my friend on the 2nd page (the one that is a portrait of just one dude) is better!

    So here is an update. This is a cropped version to fit into the frame that will be bought for this piece. The print itself will be on 100 year archival art paper. It is pretty expensive, and completely matte which I love. Don't enjoy the gloss getting in the way at all. Below the picture I am posting photoshop mockups of what the painting would look like in the frame. IT IS NOT REAL YET!

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    What is better? The light blue background that is kind of "open" at the top, or the updated version where I darkened the ceiling to close in the composition? I am kind of having second thoughts and wondering if the plainly cropped open top background is better. Also I'm not sure about the green hues in my background, Velocitty's looked better..
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    Ahhh, I really wish you had followed Velocity on the darkening of the lids/sockets. Makes 'em look "prettier" in a realistic way, so I think they'd be happier with it if you did that. Your choice of course.

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    even though your art is slightly defective - it is VERY VERY good, it wont be long - my friend, just keep at it.

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    Sorry, slight photographerese: a catchlight is what artists call a 'specular highlight', almost always when it's in the eye in particular. In other words, that dot of white light in the eye. Photographers look for this because it makes people look alive -- not having it makes the person look dead/lifeless.

    They're also useful/interesting because sometimes its possible to work out what the lightsource was only by looking at them. A window might be a large square highlight, while the sun or a flash might be a small round one. This gives you clues about how to think of and treat the lighting in your picture: windows will be soft light, soft shadows; the sun will be harsh light, hard shadows.

    This is a very nice tutorial that explains some of the properties of light that photographers tend to know but artists tend to know less well, aimed at artists. Hope it helps, or at least is interesting.

    By the way, you could have use that photo as a reference but then used different photos to reference the light, thus use the photo but use different light. That would have been harder and took up more time, but it's worth learning to do because most photos don't have good light for what artists want.
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    I am going to try it out! I got the frame for the client, and I will print this week on 100 year archival paper, but no harm in trying out the different eyes!

    Wunts

    Thanks, I hope it won't be long! Do keep in mind that my portrait of these 3 people and my orange/blue friend had as well as Athena had a lot of photographic help. If I tried to draw my friend without reference, or even with reference on the side without ever having the chance to correct it, it would be a disaster. My main problem is creating correct lines, and I think that no matter how good my lighting and form will become, I will still look like an idiot.

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    Thanks so much, I am going to check out the tutorial now!

    Nobody answered which version of the image is better, witgh closed composition or opened? If nobody says anything I am printing the closed composition.

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    "I have taken a few of your suggestions! I added the extra volume to the girl's head, and I also added green hues to the background and the mother's outfit. I am wondering though, how did you bring out the green hues the way you did? I tried color balance at first and it didnt give me your effect. In the end I settled for a color layer and an overylay layer, but it still doesn't look like yours.

    I couldn't agree with the changing of the mothers and girl's mouths though. If you recal from earlier, the contour of my linework was blatantly traced over the photo like a complete cheater, so I know at least that the placement of things is right. What made you change the mouths?"


    without sounding too much like Swiss Tony women are infinitely beautiful. eyes are a key part of their aesthetic appeal. theres a giant part of our brains devoted to studying faces which makes drawing them an unforgiving task; get the location of something wrong and youve made a hot girl look like matt lucas. forget bullshit like the background and focus on that.
    i didnt do anything to the green in the background, i think just uploading images makes them more contrasty, thats all.
    but theres something seriously wrong with the main girls face and specifically her eyes and mouth. you might have traced them but they look nothing like in the reference.

    i guess you didnt have a choice in the photo, but its shortcomings ahve been discussed above. within that remit yoouve got to compliment these women, the old boy wont care but you have to make the chicks look great. you were right to tone down mums double chin, so why have you pulled out all their eyelashes and made the shape of Hotty McMedals's mouth less appealing? what was the logic for doing that? dont tell me, explain it to yourself. everything else in the image is fine, the denim, cloth etc is all reproduced with camera like accuracy, but her face is letting it all down. mine is messy, it needs your intense level of detail to replace my splodged on mascara, but it does flatter the girls and that should be priority A 1 for you if you expect a good response from the client. if this is on their wall they every time they see it they want to be reminded of her triumph and good looks, and their happiness and pride, not your shitty painting skills.
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    Well I have good news!
    Before I read that comment I decided to spend a few hours changing the girls face to include the eye changes. I also noticed a strangeness in the mom's nose bridge and adressed that.

    I have no idea who Matt Lucas is, but the comparison is hilarious! I sure hope she won't stumble upon this haha.

    Also why do your uploaded images change so drasticaly in contrast? When I upload images they stay the same I reckon.

    So here is the painting with the added changes as well as added noise and color intensity. I will print it tomorrow morning, so I hope everyone is happy haha!

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    glad i caught you in time.

    no idea, for some reason uploading to this forum always makes areas of different dark greys into flat black, ie it seems to darken the brightness and slam the contrast about 10%. no idea why.

    i always upload images with their lightness bumped 10% to compensate.

    also you missed the nice diamond sparkle on her cheek, a shame i thought.
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    I didn't paint the diamond sparkle because I thought it would not be apparent what it is and would confuse people, no?

    What do you think of the color intensity? Are they too orange? When I gave her all the options she picked this super intense one.

    What do you think of her adjusted face?

    Is her mouth still bothering you? Does she still look like that bald guy?

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    see if this helps
    youre still not drawing in her eyelashes. in a rather ugly photograph her eyes are the best bit, but yourenot getting them right yet.

    also i hate that crappy Riki Lake Show type logo in the bottom left it looks tacky as hell
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