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    http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/the-new-52/

    The first day of the new 52 has passed and the series have begun!

    We can't really complain about it anymore (I know I tried) they've done it and there's no turning back. Might as well make the best of it.

    So, what are people's thoughts on the current releases? And what do you plan on getting that's on the way in the coming weeks?

    I rarely buy floppies, but I was interested enough to pick up a few.

    • JLI looks interesting.
    • Static Shock was ok.
    • Green Arrow was ok, but I think the character looks too young now. He needs the beard!
    • Batgirl looks decent. Still a shame it appears Oracle isn't canon anymore. I guess Barbara is walking again thanks to rehabilitation (nothing far fetched), it's not explicitly stated but whatever.
    • Batwing was a bit gory (somewhat subdued in comparison to other things I've seen, thankfully), but it surprisingly kept me reading.
    • I have yet to read the Morrison run, but the new Animal Man is interesting.
    • Detective Comics, god damn was that final page really necessary? Other than that it was what you would expect, your run of the mill Batman vs Joker story. Nothing badly done.
    • I was excited for Action Comics once I saw the preview and learned that Morrison was on board, but upon reading it I don't know what to make of it. I'll stick around to see how it all plays out.


    Initially the only things I said I was gonna bother with were Action Comics, Static Shock, and Blue Beetle, but meh, I got sidetracked.

    Ugh, Maybe I'll look at Green Lantern Corps, which releases on the 21st. C'mon, it's got Guy Garderner and John Stewart (no, not the real one). What better way to get into Green Lantern than those two in the same series?

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    New day!

    I'll pick up the stuff I had on my list (only one or two things) tomorrow.

    But c'mon! No one has something to add to this thread? Really?

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    I've strayed away from comics when there was a jump from 1.50 to 4 bucks for 32 pages. I understand things like print quality (using different stock of paper etc) but it became too much.

    I had settled for Manga but even that has become limited.

    I am interested in hearing how it is going though with superhero comics, but I'm usually more invested in any of the animation or movies that comes out these days.

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    Personally I hate buying floppies because they're too short, you need extra crap to maintain them, you can't put them on a bookshelf, and yeah, they're pretty expensive right now.

    Trade collections are better in every single way.

    At the end of this I'm just gonna give away the stuff I bought. If I ever go back to any those series, it's gonna be a trade paperback.

    I'm honestly starting to think that floppies should just phase out altogether.

    The Japanese stuff is basically the same thing, but worse, despite the things the do opposite of floppies. At least floppies don't have to be disposable (these days).

    From what I've seen, Japanese comic magazines like Shonen Jump are printed on such horribly cheap recycled paper (but they make sure the ads are on something decent) that the stuff will just age horribly and you can't do a thing about it. The things are basically supposed to be recycled to make next week's magazine, not be collected or kept as souvenirs.

    Of course as an American I can't really complain much, since all the Japanese stuff comes over here in trade format from the get go.

    Truth be told, I would love to see an American publisher experiment with the serial anthology format Japan uses. Preferably a company that isn't fixed on one genre.

    But I'm just moving away from the topic.
    • Batman and Robin might have thrown in decent idea into the mix (not sure if other writers will pay attention to it), but it was ok.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arshes Nei
    I've strayed away from comics when there was a jump from 1.50 to 4 bucks for 32 pages. I understand things like print quality (using different stock of paper etc) but it became too much.
    You mean like 'regular'' Dc/marvel comics? I can't remember the time when I could buy a comic for $1.50 and there were quite a few price points over the years before they reached $4.00. I don't count the ads, so it's 22 pages, which is 4 dollars for like a 10 minute read. That's admittingly not the best bang for your buck. And you read comics for a long enough time you'll grow very tired of Batman putting the Joker back in Arkham, knowing full well he'll be out in the next week.





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    Personally I hate buying floppies because they're too short, you need extra crap to maintain them, you can't put them on a bookshelf, and yeah, they're pretty expensive right now.

    Trade collections are better in every single way.

    At the end of this I'm just gonna give away the stuff I bought. If I ever go back to any those series, it's gonna be a trade paperback.

    I'm honestly starting to think that floppies should just phase out altogether.
    I buy monthlies and trades. I just like dropping by my store once a month to get a nice stack of monthly comics. Trades I buy mostly online because they're cheaper.

    I always thought a Jump-like magazine anthology would be very interesting for mainstream comics. They tried that with releasing Metal Hurlant (I believe) in America which had a lot of European-flavored stuff. I think it bombed though, unfortunately.



    Not much to say about 52 yet, I've only read JLA #1 and the Flashpoint crossover which I thought was pretty bad. Lots of forced and hasty writing.
    I'll give a few titles a try, mostly for some artists, like Greg Capullo on Batman and Rags Morales on Action Comics.

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    Blue Beetle was ok. Gonna read Batman next. I don't particularly like Greg Capullo, but I've heard really good things about Scott Snyder, and his interviews make him seem like a smart guy.

    And what do you know, it's pretty decent! And I originally wasn't even planning on touching it at all! The only thing I'm kinda iffy on is how high tech Batman is now. I mean, yeah, it's 2011 and he's a billionaire, but I draw the line at electronic disguises (This is Batman, not Metal Gear Solid 4) and discreet long range lip reading machines.

    I was expecting Jason Todd and the Outlaws to be pretty bad, but damn, according to Linkara, it's REALLY bad.

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    I think these two articles are kinda covering my feelings with this launch if this really what they're doing http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/0...-superheroine/

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    They make a big deal out of rebooting everything, supposedly start from scratch (which is actually a bit of a lie), try to draw in NEW readers, and they let garbage like that go through.

    I feel a silly rant coming on.

    How? It should be common sense, given the superhero genre's existing reputation, to 100% do away with that kind of mess for the greater good of all parties involved. First for their own sake, as the point of this whole mess was to open to new audiences and MAKE MONEY off of more than just the loyal niche that's barely keeping you afloat. Second, for the sake of the genre, because for some time it's had the stereotype of being chock full of this kind of material, which has hurt the genre as a whole. And third, but most importantly, the entire medium of comics itself, which thanks to some bad history is practically defined by the superhero genre here in the states and unfortunately still is to this day.

    No, it doesn't matter if it's just 2 out of 50 books (granted there's one week left) that do this, ALL of them have that weight on their shoulders and you should have known what could and probably will happen.

    Comic books are still a niche here in the states, and it's their responsibility as one of the BIG TWO comic companies that dominate the medium (and the superhero genre) to realize that with niches, one bad apple will spoil the rest!

    In America, comic books are not viewed as a medium the same way movies or tv shows are, and that's it's largest handicap. This reminds me of something Scott McCould said in Reinventing Comics. Ignoring the strange or plain wrong predictions he made about the growing internet, he says alot of things that I vehemently agree with, one major one being that there's nothing inherently wrong with the superhero genre, but it's domination of the medium has done nothing but hurt it. And this also goes for the genre as well. Not all superhero comics make their female characters vapid sex dolls for the sake of fanservice, but it's become so common that it hurts everyone, as well as the reputation of the genre, and in effect, the medium.

    DC should KNOW that they need to move their comics AWAY from that.

    We had a thread about this recently, didn't we? Yeah, I think so.

    Kinda back on topic, I guess...

    But even without the porn star characterization of the Starfire character, the front cover of the book was already a middle finger to readers from the get go (from what I've gathered, EVERYTHING about the comic is a middle finger to readers, old and new), but I don't want to bore you guys with all that.

    I haven't read them, but I've heard that Birds of Prey and Wonder Woman aren't particularly great, but don't fall into the same boat Catwoman and Jason Todd fell into. I've also heard that Batwoman is good. As I said before, Batgirl looks like the start of something decent, and doesn't fall into the trap either (well, the writer is one of the creators of the Women in Refrigerators website, Gail Simone, and has been writing the specific character for a good while, now).

    But I'm pretty sure with Catwoman and Jason Todd, they've killed any prospect of new people buying those books now. Great job, DC! In your own little way, you're adding harm to not only yourselves, but to the superhero genre, and to the medium of comics itself, when the entire point of this whole mess was to do the complete opposite!

    Boy, that was fun! I like getting a little rant here and there.

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    I don't mind TnA even though I'm female. I understand it. I am ok with guys having all the TnA they want in a lot of things. However, I admit though allowing the guys to dominate that market for so long it does get alienating.

    The problem is DC knows this is really a franchise, movies and series. So like the girl who is in that comic I posted about Starfire... I just don't see it making sense from a standpoint where people who did grow up on the cartoons, coming in and getting a Dick Pastry of a character. You had the audience from the Teen Titan cartoons, and the reboot gave them the perfect opportunity to gain from it.

    This is just....well fail.

    I think Storm is one of those, where you know she's good looking and sexy, but rarely have you seen her just posted to be just wank material. Sure she's been nude at times, or times she might wear something that makes a guy drool. But she's always kinda been well regarded I think.

    Rogue is a character I really liked where despite her having to cover up for the sake of not accidentally absorbing people through skin to skin contact, maintained a spunk and personality about her.

    When I look at DC's reboot and try to look for good women, the only interesting thing at this time may be Batgirl (as you said). Catwoman seems to have been trashed which is a shame cuz despite her "villainous" nature, she was an interesting character.

    Oh well DC, just being reminded again why I don't bother with comics anymore.

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    The hilarious part is that from what I've seen, the original Starfire from the comics and the cartoon version are barely any different from each other other than the designs. Compared to the others, there was little change from the comics. Old school fans aren't happy about this change, either.

    But some of the other characters did change for the cartoon...

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    Beast Boy was the douchebag that no one liked that loved to crack AWFUL jokes. Wait a minute, that's what he was in the cartoon, nevermind.

    Ah well, the DC 52 is on it's last week. Here's hoping something good shows up to end it.

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    I can't follow Marvel or DC. I did when I was a wee little lad in the early 90's, back when X-men trading cards were all the rage. I realized Wolverine was the ONLY marvel character with a coherent story arch. All the rest turned into a pin up contest and I couldn't tell what dimension I was in anymore. I guess DC wants to follow in Marvels foot steps. It's amazing how those two companies can dominate 80% of the market when they have such a huge track record of turning off their loyal readers and alienating new readers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raoul Duke View Post
    I realized Wolverine was the ONLY marvel character with a coherent story arch. All the rest turned into a pin up contest and I couldn't tell what dimension I was in anymore.
    LOL I hope you weren't around during the Roger Cruz run.... http://blog.adlo.es/swipe_of_the_week/2006/08/

    It really WAS a pin up contest in Wolverine, full of swiping goodness.

    I stopped reading for several reasons, the x-books were way too many (whcih was my primary interest). The alternate covers. I got tired of that really quickly. Costs and story lines and artists leaving just lost my interest.

    The Comic Alliance nailed it with the creepy Catwoman Batman sex on the rooftop, it looks like creepy fanfic images. Even as silly as comics are...

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    Oh man, I'm usually not scared off by long continuity (I can just google the character and read a fan page to know what's going on), but I am downright frightened by how huge and convoluted the X-Men is.

    Uncanny X-Men, X-Factor, X-Force, Generation X, New X-Men, Age of Apocalypse, Cable, New Mutants, Mutant X, X-Treme X-Men, Cable and Deadpool, ect, ect! And then there's all the mess that centers around Wolverine.

    I can understand why there's so much of it (X-Men was the only thing getting Marvel profits at the time, but they still had to file for bankruptcy during that decade), but no way, man. Just no.

    It doesn't help that it was a major series during the Dark Age (the time period where I almost never touch mainstream books, period), and as such, Rob Leifield in particular was a huge cornerstone of the franchise during that time. Plus I don't like Jim Lee.

    Back on topic, there's nothing coming out this week that I want to buy, so...Eh. I guess we'll see if DC's plan worked out for them in the coming months.

    I think it'll be a dud, honestly. It's like the time Marvel made Spider-Man team up with Obama, it'll make press and maybe sell to a point, but right after that it's just back to the loyal fanbase and no one else.

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