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    Your in a Drawing Class...

    and your instructor has some students pick seven objects and place them on the table in the middle of the room. Then she sets you up in an ackward position to draw such as, standing you up at an E-zle with a huge piece of paper, almost verticle and and says draw. Well, for me this is a weird position to be in when I'm sketching out a pic. And the items are a birdcage with a skull inside of it. A horse on the back, a box with a tea kettle on it, a boot beside that, a maracca in from of the skull, a hand holding on to the top of the birdcage and a little man holding on to the birdcage infront of the horse. I'm not really saying anything but what do you do. I have no real focal point to work from and damn if I'm not comfortable drawing with this equipment. Any suggestions on what would make this easier for me? And I believe this is the way the class is going to be for the semester. Yeah, that's about it. Just wanted to rant. Thanks.

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    Standing at an easel, working vertically on large paper is how you should be drawing in a life class. Get used to it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hu Surdadi View Post
    Well, for me this is a weird position to be in when I'm sketching out a pic.
    But it's a much better position than pretty much any other way to draw, and you'll get used to it pretty quick if you just suck it up, do it, and practice at home any time you can. If your instructor didn't mention it, don't hold your pencil as if you were writing, hold it so you can use the flat of the pencil lead against the paper. There's a couple other ways to grip a pencil that I don't use, I'm sure you can google them pretty easily.

    The process of drawing all the items you described is exactly the same as drawing anything else, it just requires a little more care in measuring and takes longer. Don't make it out to be a bigger thing than it is.

    Anyway, what I would do is pick a part of the composition that seemed reasonably fun to draw and might look all right (instead of trying to get everything in), shut the complaining part of my brain off and draw.

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    Really? What did you expect out of a drawing class????

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    Holy crap, I love that website, thanks!

    BTW, the only thing I find weird, is the teacher is using objects way too complicated for people who don't even know how to stand at an easel (let alone, spell easel.) I might start them up with a box and an apple or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hu Surdadi View Post
    I'm not really saying anything but what do you do... Any suggestions on what would make this easier for me? And I believe this is the way the class is going to be for the semester.
    You draw. I assume that's why she gave you the paper. You probably have a pencil or piece of charcoal to work with.

    It sounds to me like you're totally overthinking the class. Is drawing in a new position so difficult? Honestly? I bet you'll get used to it after 5 minutes. And you'll realize that it can be more comfortable than sitting hunched over a drawing board. And, you'll quickly notice how it's so, so much easier to glance to the side of the easel than to constantly have to look up and then down again.

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    Hu Surdadi, actually I'm not a fan of standing up while life drawing myself. If there is room, I would just use a drawing horse and slant my drawing pad on it. Art supplies are easier to reach when seated. (Be sure to compensate the perspective slant while drawing objects that are upright)

    If you need help finding a focus point on a drawing, you can make a simple view finder for composition. Just take a index card, cut a square in it. Whatever you see in that hole that interest you, draw away. You can always crop what you see when you don't have time to draw everything.

    Try out your teacher's suggested position for while. If you are still uncomfortable, you won't draw well. Find a position that works for you.

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    The comfort issue might have to do with standing for long periods of time - investing in a good pair of shoes and concentrating on proper posture will help take the pain off your joints, and without the pain, you may find tackling the challenging composition to be exhilarating rather than unfair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    Standing at an easel, working vertically on large paper is how you should be drawing in a life class. Get used to it.
    Damn this place is snark central.Some of you need to sit back, have some coffee and remember that not everyone does everything just like you. And there's no need to be rude to people.

    OP, I dislike standing around for long ass periods of time as well.Ask the instructor if you can have like, a high seated stool or something. Or you can just move your whole setup. I don't see why you couldn't.

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    Drawing big is a no-brainer in life drawing. Standing up on the other hand, not necessary if you ask me. There have always been stools available in my life drawing classes at uni and at the local college- just ask, and I'm sure one will be provided. If not, you might need to give your back a break from time to time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Princess-Bettafish View Post
    Damn this place is snark central.
    Sometimes. But that was hardly an example.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    Sometimes. But that was hardly an example.
    Christ I'd hate to see some of you people with full on snark mode.
    Calm down, and get shooshpapped.

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    I think there are actually quite good reasons to be standing. For one, you can just step back and see your work and your model at the same time, which you should be doing all the time. And you should be using your whole body and arm to draw, which is a ton easier when you can actually move your whole body. Picture a person which both shoulders raised standing right next to the paper doing tiny scribbling with only his wrist. You want the exact opposite of that.

    Those were the reasons given to us when we started drawing classes, and I hated having to stand at the start, my back and the soles of my feet were continuously killing me (I did have good shoes too, I just have flat feet), but after about two moths the pains went a away and I agree with the teachers, it's just the best way to draw. Give it enough effort, take frequent breaks. Everyone in our classes was grumpy at start, but no one preferred sitting after it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Princess-Bettafish View Post
    Christ I'd hate to see some of you people with full on snark mode.
    Calm down, and get shooshpapped.
    Wow, you really put me in my place.


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    I've got a feeling this thread is going to go poorly, placing my bet now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hu Surdadi View Post
    Then she sets you up in an ackward position to draw such as, standing you up at an E-zle with a huge piece of paper, almost verticle and and says draw. Well, for me this is a weird position to be in when I'm sketching out a pic.
    If you haven't done it before, it can be strange, yeah. Give it a chance though, once you get into the flow of things it becomes quite a comfortable position to work in with advantages over working at a desk.

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    Christ I'd hate to see some of you people with full on snark mode.
    Wasn't really any snark there, he was telling the truth. That's the way it's been done for hundreds of years (that or horses).

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    WOOT! Way to put a CA moderator in his place with KAWAII ANIME SKILLZ!!!1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Princess-Bettafish View Post
    Christ I'd hate to see some of you people with full on snark mode.
    We're actually quite nice here.

    I take it that you're American with the Princess title. Not a snark, just an observation of the internet.

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    Quit being such a pussy and draw standing, the people who can't never amount to anything; as you can tell from the bad drawing that was posted.. How's that for snarky ?

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    Haha, dpaint doesn't mince words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dpaint View Post
    Quit being such a pussy and draw standing, the people who can't never amount to anything; as you can tell from the bad drawing that was posted.. How's that for snarky ?

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    I think I've seen you do better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hu Surdadi View Post
    Any suggestions on what would make this easier for me?
    Focus on work you need to do, find something pleasant about it, shift your focus away from discomforts. After a while, you'll get used to it, and it will no longer be uncomfortable.
    Like, if you are learning how to play a new sport, at first things feel uncomfortable. Drawing classes you are also acquiring new physical skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Princess-Bettafish View Post
    Christ I'd hate to see some of you people with full on snark mode.
    Yes. That is actually the point.

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    oh, oh, how could have we forgotten this:
    "Stop whining start working" thread!
    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...d.php?t=223223

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conniekat8 View Post
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    I think I've seen you do better.
    I try to eschew obfuscation, could you be more straight forward?

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    Problems standing for a while? Try imitating a stork and switch legs or something. Works pretty good for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dpaint View Post
    I try to eschew obfuscation, could you be more straight forward?
    It's just that you're usually more scathing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hu Surdadi View Post
    and your instructor has some students pick seven objects and place them on the table in the middle of the room. Then she sets you up in an ackward position to draw such as, standing you up at an E-zle with a huge piece of paper, almost verticle and and says draw. Well, for me this is a weird position to be in when I'm sketching out a pic. And the items are a birdcage with a skull inside of it. A horse on the back, a box with a tea kettle on it, a boot beside that, a maracca in from of the skull, a hand holding on to the top of the birdcage and a little man holding on to the birdcage infront of the horse. I'm not really saying anything but what do you do. I have no real focal point to work from and damn if I'm not comfortable drawing with this equipment. Any suggestions on what would make this easier for me? And I believe this is the way the class is going to be for the semester. Yeah, that's about it. Just wanted to rant. Thanks.
    Well, crap!

    They're trying to get you to draw something out of a David Lynch film!

    What ever happened to a bottle, or maybe a box, for beginner artistic target practice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hu Surdadi View Post
    I have no real focal point to work from and damn if I'm not comfortable drawing with this equipment.
    Excellent! Let learning commence!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamber Parrk View Post
    They're trying to get you to draw something out of a David Lynch film!
    I'd have killed for something like that in my class... We had four or five small tables stacked on top of each other on all manner of ways. So many straight lines... so much confusing perspective... I still see boring nightmares from those overlapping table legs.

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