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    Cintiq 24HD?

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    http://cgeverything.co.uk/2011/09/12...-first-images/

    Cintiq 24HD?



    http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/18/w...e-went-to-art/

    This newest model, the Cintiq 24HD has just been approved by the FCC and, while the documents don't reveal much, we presume it's a 24-inch (and HD-resolution) follow up to last year's device.


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    I hope it was worth waiting for ...

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    Interesting. This will be the largest Cintiq yet...but I'm almost afraid of how high the price is going to be. I can easily see Wacom charging like $3000 -$4000 for this. an extra thousand the 3 inches, and another thousand for the "High Def"

    In a perfect world they'd put this model at $2000 and lower the price of the 21ux to $1500 or something...but of course this is Wacom.

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    I agree with dark. its going to be stupid expensive.

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    Good news to hear about an updated display! I bought the last 21ux, and in a printmaker's world, it hasn't been 100% up to the job. Hard to color calibrate, especially where I have to work, which has no controlled lighting. Dark images are hard to see in a moderately lit environment. Compared to the laptop it's connected to, the brightness is just pitiful. On light images, such as sketching on a light background, it works like a dream, but it has been problematic for me on most projects, often making me bust out the intuos :/ Plus it has a dark stuck pixel not covered by warranty, bastards.

    Even with these complaints, I actually fear for Wacom. All in one computers and tablets with various pen technology different from Wacom's patented digitizer seem to be on the way. Lots of patents for new pen tech have been filed. They are only a computer accessory company. Once computers don't require their accessories for artists, what then?

    Either way, this is good news for now, thanks for posting.

    *also just noticed in the patent diagram that it has no rotation, just a kick stand like the 12wx, wtf

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Thornton View Post

    *also just noticed in the patent diagram that it has no rotation, just a kick stand like the 12wx, wtf
    I don't believe patent drawings necessarily reflect the final project; they just need to show the technology being patented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Thornton View Post
    Even with these complaints, I actually fear for Wacom. All in one computers and tablets with various pen technology different from Wacom's patented digitizer seem to be on the way. Lots of patents for new pen tech have been filed. They are only a computer accessory company. Once computers don't require their accessories for artists, what then?
    Just because there is a patent doesn't mean its ever gonna see the light of day. Apple patented a rolling/ball capacative pen a few months back that looks more stupid then anything.

    And just because another company has it owns Pen tech...that doesn't mean it will be useful to artists. Case in point N-trig. They are Wacoms only real form of competition in the portable on screen tablet market, and their digitizer's are horriable for art use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Thornton View Post
    Even with these complaints, I actually fear for Wacom. All in one computers and tablets with various pen technology different from Wacom's patented digitizer seem to be on the way. Lots of patents for new pen tech have been filed. They are only a computer accessory company. Once computers don't require their accessories for artists, what then?
    Personally, I think Wacom could do with some competition. I think we'd be seeing better products come out faster (higher resolution, easier calibration, more durable screens, more portable, whatever) if there were more options. Plus, I'm sure we'd all love to see a little competitive pricing

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    I wonder if is the multi-touch one I've heard mention.

    Still, HD? Guess that means losing vertical res, fine for landscapes not so hot for figures and portrait format. Unless it's higher than 1080 which may be cool.

    God knows how much it'll be in the UK....

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    But whats so innovative about this??? Just high res and bigger screen???? that's it? and they will charge 2 time extra amount. I wish if Wacom reduce the burden of too much of wire around the cintq and make it with inbuilt CPU. just like apple's modbook.

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    The modbook isn't made by apple. The modification is made by a third party when you send them your macbook. They utilize the same wacom digitizer that currently exists in many tablet pc's, and it doesn't compare to the full sized cintiq. (loss of proper calibration around the edges is even more noticable.) As for having an onboard cpu, I strongly disagree with the idea; I prefer the freedom to select my own operating system and so on.

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    Has anyone seen the other product on Wacom's Cintiq page? Looks like the concept from the FCC approval.

    http://www.wacom.com/en/Products/Cintiq.aspx

    EDIT: OMG! They -JUST- took it down! I'm not going crazy!

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    I saw it, don't worry about it

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    Yup, that's what I saw!

    It looked like it had a little more of a matte finish on the website, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WarmSoda View Post
    Yup, that's what I saw!

    It looked like it had a little more of a matte finish on the website, though.
    I know... lol

    Cintiq 24HD?

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    So....is the actual screen size gonna be 24" or is that an indication of how big the unit will be altogether WITH THAT DAM NEAR 10" OF BEZEL SPACE in the pic!?
    (Note to Wacom: Please don't let it be the latter)
    Looking at that dude, the chair, and his hand, then looking at the screen, it makes it seem like we're definitely gonna get humped on the screen real estate factor if this is an authentic pic.

    Ok, I was working and when I posted the last, it showed me the above post....If that's the real deal, lemme go forth and command my purple skinned coke whores
    to walk the strolls immediately and collect my crumpled cash....it's on like donkey kong LOL

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    Pish, won't be able to afford it.

    Damn, I wish they'd bring out a newer model portable number. The Cintiq 15.6X or something- same physical size of a 12wx but with less plastic and more screen.

    Also they could correct the 12wx's shortcomings (add I4 tech and a better monitor). It's definitely overdue.



    And as for the price, I always regarded Apple as a dramatically overpriced company but Wacom bring it to a whole new level.

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    Anybody know when this is gonna hit the street yet? If it's by Xmas, then it'll be a hard decision between those 2 German Rottweiler puppies I wanted and this.
    Maybe a fresh case of .44 slugs for the DE and some new booby traps can help me hold out on getting the pups until later

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    Damn...that is one sexy tablet. It looks like they just threw a monitor into an XL intuos4. Kind of in vein of those Intuos3/cintiq mods.

    It does have a 24 inch screen.but they went with a 16:10 widescreen ratio. Much more of grievance tablet PC users are quite familiar with. Where as the old 21 inch Cintiqs were full screen, this took the same idea as the 12 inch model and went for widescreen...and the super huge bezel surrounding it. Its more of a personal choice, but generally most artists tend to like the full screen size better. But given how huge this thing is...I don't think it will be as much of an issue.

    One thing I find kind of interesting....the one pic showing the 5 stages of how the screen can adjust......this looks an awful lot like a display patent apple put down a while ago. Its not the same...but quite similar.

    http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/apple-f...ch-24-08-2010/

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    And thanks to the power of google tanslate, I was able to roughly translate most of the tech specs on that chinese site. IPS is definitely good to see...but Brightness at 190cd/m2 (190 nits)....that means this will be slighly dimmer then the 21ux 200 nit display....that seems like a really stupid decision. Hope i'm wrong on that part of the translation.

    and "Digital display: 13.7Kg, digital display stand: 14.9Kg (without cable)"

    that means the whole thing Display and Stand will weight around 60 pounds give or take. Thats a hell of alot more weight compared to the 21 inch cintiq that weights only 25 pounds with the stand.

    and nothing on price as far as I can tell. I'm betting it probably will surpass $3000. That huge bezel makes the tablet much bigger and gives Wacom more leverage to charge more for it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by darkmagistric View Post
    IPS is definitely good to see...but Brightness at 190cd/m2 (190 nits)....that means this will be slighly dimmer then the 21ux 200 nit display....that seems like a really stupid decision. Hope i'm wrong on that part of the translation.
    I had the Cintiqs in an environment without controlled lighting, not overly bright, just ambient. Neither were bright enough to calibrate using a Spyder3 Studio SR. Every other display I had (including a damn iPad) could be done in this same environment.

    My last piece was a cityscape. Being that it was darker in tone, it was difficult to see clearly on the Cintiqs. So much so that I ended up doing the entire project on an old Intuos with a laptop screen!

    Looks like it might also have the same pixel density. The 12wx was fine, but damn I could see the pixel grid on the 21... That ain't HD to me buddy.

    Seems it won't be a replacement for the 21, but rather an addition to the line up. That said, it will be $2.5k at a minimum, probably $3k. Ouch.

    But hey, any new Cintiq release is exciting news, and this one looks like quite an interesting design. Although, given past experiences, it probably won't be too hard to talk myself out of it.

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    somebody needs to buy wacom and lower the price on these things. I can understand $2000 when 20 inch lcds were expensive. But now that they are $100 wacom needs to adjust their outrageous price by about $1000. Learn to capitalism wacom. You are losing money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grantrl76 View Post
    somebody needs to buy wacom and lower the price on these things. I can understand $2000 when 20 inch lcds were expensive. But now that they are $100 wacom needs to adjust their outrageous price by about $1000. Learn to capitalism wacom. You are losing money.
    normally that would work for them if they were having trouble selling them. they are unlikely to price drop when they cant even keep up with the demand of them. the minute a retailer gets it they are all sold the same day. there are people waiting months with cash in hand ready to buy with no place to buy it from. a situation that unlikely leads to a price drop.

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    the stand looks better equipped to have it leaning with part of it hanging over the side then the 21ux. it doesnt look like you can rotate the display while its in the stand though. I am kinda hoping it can it just doesnt look like it. if not putting a vesa mount on the back would solve it. then people would have the option for an ergotron and spin it that way. it looks like alot of space is wasted as well on the sides.

    this is to much hardware for my ability but its always fun to look at.

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    The new Cintiq is on Wacom's website now. The status also shows "available" for purchase in USA for $2499

    http://wacom.com/en/Products/Cintiq/Cintiq24HD.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangum View Post
    normally that would work for them if they were having trouble selling them. they are unlikely to price drop when they cant even keep up with the demand of them. the minute a retailer gets it they are all sold the same day. there are people waiting months with cash in hand ready to buy with no place to buy it from. a situation that unlikely leads to a price drop.

    First of all I have owned 2 cintiq 21ux. Second when they can't make enough to meet demand they ARE having trouble selling them. Every person who wants one who cant get one is lost money. Economies of scale my know-it-all brother. You manufacture them on a large scale and drop your price and sell 500 times as many cintiqs. They are WAY overpriced and they have lousy LCDs. Wacom fix it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grantrl76 View Post
    First of all I have owned 2 cintiq 21ux. Second when they can't make enough to meet demand they ARE having trouble selling them. Every person who wants one who cant get one is lost money. Economies of scale my know-it-all brother. You manufacture them on a large scale and drop your price and sell 500 times as many cintiqs. They are WAY overpriced and they have lousy LCDs. Wacom fix it.
    ...aaaaaaand they're out of stock lol

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