I think we need one of these threads, so we don't have a billion little threads of odd random thoughts throughout the lounge. I VAGUELY remember something like this existing, but perhaps not, and if it DID exist, it's clearly dead now. Post anything you want, whether it's weird, funny, sad, questioning, etc.
Today I think I finally know how people who only post art on DeviantArt feel like once they first post on ConceptArt. I was posting some poems on little poetry communities and receiving basically only positive feedback. Against my own wisdom, I blindly believed that positive feedback and was feeling sort of decent about myself. And then I posted on another, much more professional website that actually publishes the works of renowned contemporary poets throughout the world. My poems were basically ripped to shreds. Unfortunately the poems were NOT critiqued so constructively as one might be on CA even if they came from DA. My poetry was called bland, immature, juvenile, and cliche'. One person even quoted Keats who said that "if poetry come not as naturally as the leaves of a tree it has better not come at all" and that perhaps it shouldn't come from me. And then I found myself with my guitar struggling to find a chord progression, a melody... ANYTHING (other than some stupid little riff I wrote that sounded a bit like Opeth) that I can build a song out of. If the man himself is the medium of the artwork, it's days such as these that give me cause to question my own self worth. And with this (and other sources) the depression is seeping slowly but steadily back in.
And with that I close my random thought. Mine wasn't so cheerful, but that doesn't mean that yours has to be about struggle.
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I think we need one of these threads, so we don't have a billion little threads of odd random thoughts throughout the lounge. I VAGUELY remember something like this existing, but perhaps not, and if it DID exist, it's clearly dead now.
You do realize that people still will post their own random thought threads (because everyone's opinion is special enough to warrant a thread solely for them), at least after this disappears from the page? Then somebody remembers vaguely this thread but decides that this thread is clearly dead and they won't bother searching for it.
Unless the admins actually start combining these threads to this one.
Just to key off of the thing you said, Jake, about the first time posting on concept art and getting criticism. My random thought after reading that was just to say, that's what i love about this site, is how everyone (or most people) are serious about improving, and it's a great place to get good, honest critiques.
Everyone gets it, and generally you get honest critiques, and everyone understands that just about no matter what you say within reason, it isn't going to hurt the other persons feelings but is almost better than any compliment; a critique on someone's work.
Anyway, that's my quick random thought, just a little CA appreciation. I got a good crit on my sketchbook the other night. It was short and sweet but really got me thinking, and that's what i fuckin love about this site, is those random critiques that make me go "i never thought of that". A good place to get critiques is hard to find, but this site is a great place to find them.
"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."
--- Frank Herbert, Dune - Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear
Check out my Sketchbook! Critique and Criticism welcomed.
The problem with "post your whatever" threads is that people usually are too wrapped up in posting "their whatever" to respond to others. And most "This is my thought" threads are made to get some sort of response in return. Or at least that's my little thought for the moment.
I know what your talking about Jake. I'm always attempting to work on a comic of some sort. When you slave away for months on end to realize you did a bad job is always devistating. You just have to learn from your mistakes, suck it up like a big boy, dust off your shouler and get back on the horse.
Now onto to my random thought.
Art Has The Power To Kill The Yuppies! If you think about it they are a product of an uptight, chickenshit culture. Art is the biproduct of the energy of a thinking culture. Good art should offend the sensibilities of an absent soul, because it's a reminder. Anybody open to the concept of lifestyle can appreciate art.
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One person even quoted Keats who said that "if poetry come not as naturally as the leaves of a tree it has better not come at all" and that perhaps it shouldn't come from me.
It's interesting because I have made a few sketches over the years with little snippets of poetry that vaguely resembles Beowulf/Tolkien because in terms of poetry that's where I get my inspiration. As far as poetry then goes I prefer the type where you try to nail the symbolism, rhythm, meter and mood of the poem to a tee rather than writing things that naturally come to you as most poets seem to do on the surface - like planning a composition before you start a painting in comparison to throwing paint at a canvas and calling it a masterpiece simply because it was made with emotion. I guess I'm saying that if you haven't looked into the technical aspects of constructing a poem, just like not looking into the technical aspect of composing a picture then of course it's going to have issues.
Besides, poets can sometimes be elitists.
So my little contribution of the week is that I now have had a Job at a Surveying firm for almost a month now, which consists of Aerial mapping and photogrammetry. Think of it as using the polygon lasso tool to build lines which define boundaries of properties, structures, paths, roads, mountains, etc. What you get at the end is a full contour map accurate to about half a foot.
It's my first REAL taste of the outside world as I'm working from 8.30 to 5, four days a week (Soon to be five) as opposed to being an academic my whole life. I'm glad for it though, because it (probably) means that I'm going to learn the meaning of having my spirit broken, to be able to force oneself to work even at times when disinclined to do so... Doing the normal thing that every middle class westerner does. That'll make the few hours of painting a week a pleasure, every spare minute of time on the train a commodity, every quick sketch before bed a resource and it should teach the value we should invest in every second of our lives, which is something I should have done from the beginning.
It's a shame though because a lot of the people I met that went from academic institute to academic institute (High school to animation school) don't REALLY know what kind of labour this profession requires, and all those people who are falsely told by marketing departments nationwide that academia alone is the path to your dream Career are in for a surprise. And they are legion.
Anyway, yeah. Go this thread. My only hope is that it goes through healthy tangents upon healthy tangents rather than people arguing with each other as is the case with a lot of discussion threads.
My most frequent so I guess not random thought is: "Am I progressing fast enough?"
I also thought poetry was supposed to be personal, and not like concept art at all, so I don't really understand how they can call it juvenile or pointless. The stereotype of a poet is thoughtful, reclusive and reasonably liberal, these guys sound like total wankers.
Some people would call me a philistine for saying this, but pretty much all the poems I have read in books and serious blogs/sites are pretentious and whiny in my opinion, with the exception of Spike Milligan who is the greatest man of all time imo, 'the ning nang nong' got me through some tough times maaaaan.
I have been totally put of 'modern classic' poets like Duffy and Armatige by school, I fucking hated my anthology by the end of my GCSEs
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If the man himself is the medium of the artwork, it's days such as these that give me cause to question my own self worth. And with this (and other sources) the depression is seeping slowly but steadily back in.
Ooh, that's good, you should put that in a poem, haha.
Originally Posted by Jacob Kobryn
"if poetry come not as naturally as the leaves of a tree it has better not come at all"
Also, I'm not a professional poet, but that sounds like a bunch of crap to me.
My thoughts as of late: James Gurney is ridiculous. I knew people held him in high esteem on here and I'd perused his blog a bit but nothing I saw really struck me as all that exceptional. Then I got his Imaginative Realism book and was blown away by the time, effort, and research he puts into his projects! He spent nearly a year doing research for this piece and spent two months painting it. That's some inspiring dedication and a stellar piece to show for it.
And then God said, "Let us make man in our likeness and our image. Let us make him ridiculously hard to draw so that poor artists everywhere will have to spend 10,000+ hours failing repeatedly before they can begin to capture the form and likeness onto a two-dimensional surface." And there was man. And it was good. And artists everywhere lost their minds.
The stereotype of a poet is thoughtful, reclusive and reasonably liberal,
haha I guess it's a fit then.
The inspiration of this thread was that most other forums that I go to have a "Random Chat" thread where you can come in and talk about anything and I really like that. Sometimes there are things worth talking about that certainly aren't worth making a new thread about, whether it's "I'm reading this book and loving it," or "man I can't sleep right now."
Today I'm thinking about how ridiculously ahead of it's time Tomorrow Never Knows was. The song was released in 1966! That's before the psychedelic explosion or before experimentation in music was very common place. I doubt that The Beatles knew that 20-30 years later sample based music would become a genre of it's own. And it's an AMAZING kick ass song, anyway.