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    Here are some master copies. The first one took FOREVER but I learned a lot. I think the hands might still need some work though.

    Anyone have any advice on charcoal drawing? I can't seem to control it when I draw. It just goes everywhere and I cant get the detail I want,

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    Rough, quick ribera copy. Still life that I'm not proud of and some Gottfried Bammes studies.

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    I just finished my first Bargue copy but I'm not sure I'm happy with it. If anyone has any tips on how to do these I would love to hear them.

    Edit - I just uploaded a better scanned version and also realised that I started with plate 5...

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    Last edited by OakLeaf; June 15th, 2012 at 05:38 AM.
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    Hey Bunrt-Ice, I don't think it matters that you started with plate 5. I have never done any Bargue (atleast not seriously) but I think the main problem with yours is that you want to go to fast. So my tip would be, spend another 80 hours on it

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    Yeah, I started over and I'm doing the block in much more carefully this time. My main problem is that when I get to a certain point, I don't know what I can do to improve it.

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    Here is my second attempt at plate 5. I realize that the reason my drawings look nothing like the original, and that I can't get them dark enough is because the original was probably done in charcoal.

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    Hey bunrt-ice, you can get these dark values even with a 2h pencil. You need very thick paper for that and a lot of patience. But the way, or one of the ways, to do that is by making circular movements with your pencil. And don't put pressure. That way you should be able to get the dark tones you are aiming for.

    Here is a link (click) of one of my older works that has been done that way. Those dark tones are done with a 2h pencil. It just takes time.

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    Thanks, I'll try that.

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    Third attempt at plate 5. This time in charcoal, I think it still needs a bit of work.

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    Onion.. And garlic.

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    Last edited by OakLeaf; June 20th, 2012 at 07:52 AM.
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    Bargue drawing course plate 1.

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    Plate 2.

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    The last two look nice Bunrt-Ice!

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    great onion

    and I really like that classy studies

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    Plate 3

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    Last edited by OakLeaf; June 21st, 2012 at 06:56 AM.
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    Last edited by OakLeaf; July 5th, 2012 at 05:15 AM.
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    Bargue Drawing Course Plate 6 ^

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    my sister ^
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    some figures from imagination. ^

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    ur last updates are pretty good. i especially like the bargue studies!

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    I haven't posted in a long time so here is an update. I'm now living back in the united states and am attending a classical art atelier. I'm really liking it so far and feel that I'm learning a lot. Here are some thing's I've done so far in school, we haven't gotten into rendering yet so all of these are ether block ins or value studies. As always, critiques are much appreciated.

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    2 week pose, first fully rendered cast and a pear. Everything with graphite pencils.

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    Bargue copy, plate 3 again.

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    Thanks for the sketchbook comment, OakLeaf. Your atelier work is looking great! I think it really took a lot of guts to go sit in the Louvre and draw, not knowing french (or drawing.) You definitely taught yourself some things by doing that.

    It took me like three hours to finish the shading on your upper lip. It's probably the best drawing I've ever done.



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    Bridgeman studies.

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    Thanks for the sketchbook comment, OakLeaf. Your atelier work is looking great! I think it really took a lot of guts to go sit in the Louvre and draw, not knowing french (or drawing.) You definitely taught yourself some things by doing that.
    Thanks! I think just being around really good art is what helped me the most. I leaned what quality art is supposed to look like, so now I know what to strive for.

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    More Bridgeman

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    Quick self portrait sketches with crayola crayons. I haven't used crayons since the second grade! I kind of liked them.

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    Just now I went through some of your artwork, and even though I was a bit skeptical when looking at some of your earlier studies, now I can honestly say that you are improving-- and that shouldn't be a big surprise to anyone, as people -do- improve when they stay consistent on a certain subject. It's just the way our brain works-- or muscles. It depends a lot on how you spend your time studying art. Do you just draw something over and over until it looks good? Or do you look into human anatomy and actually study what length and size everything should be-- how they bend and whatnot? Now that's not an actual question which I'd be seekin' an answer to, I'm just going over this-- thing.

    Either way, I'll try to keep this short. You have improved but your sense of anatomy still has it's flaws, but who am I to say? My sense of anatomy is quite terrible. Much worse than yours. But what I love about your work, is your use of lighting. You really, really, really know how to do that, haha. I don't think I'll be able to pull that off in a long while, mainly since I'm more centered around landscapes rather than anatomy and all that jazz, even though I wish I could expand my range of knowledge and just-.. "doing" of things.

    But, great work! Study, work. You'll be great.

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    Wow! I just finished checking out your sketchbook here from start to finish and the improvement is HUGE! Way to go!

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    Bargue plate number 7. This took way to long.. And I'm still not very happy with how it turned out. I think there's a few little things I can improve on it but I just had to post it right now aso I can move on!

    Ehecod: Thanks! And yes, I know that my sense of anatomy still has many flaws but at least it's a bit better than before!

    Tweakfox: Thanks! I'm happy that people can see an improvement.

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    Quick self portrait in charcoal.

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    Some definite improvement going on! Keep at it! I should probably do some value studies too haha.

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