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    "The Snow Queen" as Native American tale

    I'm doing "The Snow Queen" as a fantasy native american story. With Kay and Gerda as native in their tweens , and the Snow Queen as a mischievouswinter spirit. I'd really like to give her a couple of bear-sized white wolverine but I don't think I'll have time for them.

    I'm doing the scene where Gerda finally finds Kay, it's right before he's freed from the influence of the troll-mirror splinter. I'd really like their emotion and body language to be earnest.

    I'm going to go for a stylised approach with a painted/3D render.

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    I will try to apply every suggestion I get, but this has to be done before the 4th of August (It's for the FairyTale re-imagined contest)

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    Uh, where are his arms?

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    Not there yet, but that's somewhat self-evident so I guess your question is "why aren't they drawn out yet"? Well I'm hesitating on leaving them limp as if he was almost lifeless/zombi, or finding a more interesting alternative that would still convey the same feel.

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    just quickly blocking the main pallet/atmosphere, next step, the boy's arms
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    Don't wait until this stage to do someone's arms! Bad!

    I can't be sure but...is the floor going to the horizon line? It looks like the floor has a higher horizon line than the rest of the image. make sure that the horizontal lines on the floor also correspond to the horizon line. Did you ever learn that trick of diminution? There is a fairly easy method for finding the size of things relative to the HL using geometry. I can show you if you like. I'll check back later.

    I really dont understand the style at ALL lol. I will be anxious to see.

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    I would be wary of having the figures right on the edge of the image. I suggest placing them a little further back on the floor, leaving some space at the bottom. This way they will seem more a part of the environment.

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    yeah, I'm giving a horrible example to kids, but it'll be fixed soon. :p

    I've been sloppy with the floor texture, I'll fix it, luckily, the texture is on it's own layer.

    Well, if some limbs are broken, one is longer then the other etc, it's definitely not style. The fact the characters are white and background colored is also not style :p I just want them to be slightly cartoony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benjaminba View Post
    I would be wary of having the figures right on the edge of the image. I suggest placing them a little further back on the floor, leaving some space at the bottom. This way they will seem more a part of the environment.
    Yeah, I was worried that would come up. I'll post a WIP with characters further away, and one as they are for my next post. They used to be further away but I was worried that would turn them into a secondary point of interest.

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    I agree that you ought to move them in a little. Compositionally, my eye's just sliding off the page. The composition feels really heavy in that bottom-right corner, without anything to cycle the eye back into the rest of the image.

    I'm also curious about your concept. Despite the main characters' outfits, nothing else about this feels particularly Native American - it's not really working as a reimagining of the story as a whole, since all that's changed is two characters' clothes. (I really do like your environment design, BTW - it's beautiful - it's just not supporting the concept yet.)

    Finally, a couple of anatomy things. The girl's head is looking disconnected from her neck at the moment. I think reference would help - after trying it, I think the tilt of her head/neck is technically possible, but feels awkward and unnatural. Her lower legs need a bit of work. The one facing sideways doesn't look right around the inner curve of the knee - that's not quite how it would connect - and the one facing the viewer doesn't look right around where the ankle connects to the foot. Also, the boy's knees and the girl's knees look like they're fighting to share the same space. I can see how you're trying to make it work, but with the current angle of her legs, I think her nearer leg would actually be inside his at the moment.

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    Alright! I think I'm going to try both having a version of them further away and maybe adding something to bring the eye back in.

    For the concept; Do you mean their faces are to caucasian? Right now, I feel the architecture is the most out of place, it's very european.

    I'll fix the anatomy problems! thanks for the detailed feedback btw!

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    "The Snow Queen" as Native American tale
    laying some quick colors on the characters before going back the architecture design.

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    "The Snow Queen" as Native American tale

    I've given the Queen inukshuk inspired snow guards, I've drop the sketch and I'm gonna start painting the characters a bit more clearly right after I'm done blocking the background a bit more. Oh! and I've added the mirror under Kay and Gerda, it'll be broken into pieces though.

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    trying a new type of snow gard, mix between a snake-cat-native-american-mask thing. I've painted over the howl figure.

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    some more work (it's flipped, don't worry, I'll turn it back later)
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    I like the idea, but I can't really tell what style your going for. It's looks cartoonish, yet the rock texture and the coloring of the characters in the forefront don't give me that impression.

    I want to see where you go with this.

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    cartoonish with a realistic render.

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    this is looking pretty cool so far! I really am picturing the boy's cheek being smushed up against the girls face and his eye would also be effected because it appears she is squeezing really tightly. He seems to have just a blank expression on his face at this point and he should be reacting.

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    I'll work on the cheek, his expression is supposed to be sort or empty/almost under hypnosis.

    I'm having a big dilemma with the outside as to whether or not I keep the architecture, I'm gonna run out of time soon.

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    well in the original sketch the boy was staring into the room, away from her. that was a blank expression. now he looks very awkward, as if he was saying "uh.. why do you touch me?.."

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    Alright! I'll revert it back to that,

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    Quote Originally Posted by freiheit View Post
    I'll work on the cheek, his expression is supposed to be sort or empty/almost under hypnosis.
    Ah ok, gotcha. I thought that might be the goal there but some squash on the cheek would still be good.

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    definitely! I want his cheeks to be chubby and pinch-able and squished ^^

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    I agree about the boy's look. I think Lord Louis has a good point.

    I also think that the cat-thing coming off her robe to OUR left is having some issues with the plants. THe plants in general are way too refined for the image and draw a lot of attention because they're really REALLY well defined, and still a bit tough to make out.

    I think some of the light on her face and stomach is betraying your light source. I could be wrong on that, so you might want another opinion, but I think so.

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    thanks for the feedback guys

    The FXs are WIP to, I've just slapped them on, they need to be adjusted
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    time's up for me! here's the final
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    wait- is it snowing inside a palace?

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    yep, it is. I'm aware it doesn't usually snow in people's house, but this is the snow queen's palace after all so I gave myself the luxury of an incoherence.

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    Looks good. I suppose it might be a little late to make changes now. But if there's something I would like to add... If your going to make it snow inside the palace, why not add some snow to the ground, and maybe some icicles to the ceiling as well. The whole image could probably also benefit from having a cooler color scheme as well. I don't know if you have any time to make changes. But maybe it's something to think about.

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    contest ended yesterday, but I might still do a few changes before putting it in my portfolio

    I wanted ice stalagtite and mite, especially as foreground elements, but never got to it.

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