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    do you think wooden pencils can ever be replaced by mechanical

    to me it seems like the two are completely different, the skinny mech pencil is used by people who are trying to make things look clean and neat while regular pencils are used for their "weighty lines" and flow of movement
    would one ever achieve the same effect of the other

    speaking of that do thick mechanical pencils (with lead the size of regular pencil's lead) even exist? do you think those can compete with regular pencils since they have similarly sized lead? would thick-lead mech pencils be the death of their wooden counterparts
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    or would it still be totally different since one is in plastic, and one's in wood
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    Personally, I like the drafting lead holders.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Leadholder.jpg

    Pros: The lead is about the same size as a wooden pencil, I can get it in varying hardnesses, it can be sharpened to a finer point than a .3 mechanical, I do not have to waste lead trying to remove a wooden casing, I can shade w/ the side of the lead by extending it a bit more, the tip does not break off in my pocket like a wooden pencil does, the lead can be shaped w/ sandpaper, and I can wear the lead down farther than I can a wooden pencil.

    Downside is... well for me, I have not found any unless it's the fact that the sharpener for it is a little larger.

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    When I want really subtle and smooth shading, I have not found anything that can replace a 3h or 4h wooden Lumograph. It's the near weightlessness of a wooden pencil that I find useful for that kind of shading.

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    I too find lead holders far superior to wooden pencils. I haven't used a wooden pencil in at least four years. It's easy to switch lead hardness and the lead doesn't snap as you sharpen it like in a wood pencil.

    Wooden pencils always seem to have that malevolent errant splinter when I use them that gouges the paper when I least expect it and I should have plenty of lead before I'm hitting wood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dokkalfar View Post
    Personally, I like the drafting lead holders.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Leadholder.jpg

    Pros: The lead is about the same size as a wooden pencil, I can get it in varying hardnesses, it can be sharpened to a finer point than a .3 mechanical, I do not have to waste lead trying to remove a wooden casing, I can shade w/ the side of the lead by extending it a bit more, the tip does not break off in my pocket like a wooden pencil does, the lead can be shaped w/ sandpaper, and I can wear the lead down farther than I can a wooden pencil.

    Downside is... well for me, I have not found any unless it's the fact that the sharpener for it is a little larger.
    lol thats exactly how i pictured thick-lead mechs

    btw if leadholder is really that good, why do people still continue using wooden pencils
    is it just because of tradition?

    i heard wooden pencil gives more control than mech pencils but i personally dont see the difference. maybe i just suck at controlling either hahahaha
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    Quote Originally Posted by stragan View Post
    btw if leadholder is really that good, why do people still continue using wooden pencils
    is it just because of tradition?
    I always figured it was price. The initial investment of a lead holder is a big price jump from those super cheap yellow school pencils.
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    As to the OP's thread question.

    No.

    There are leads that are smooth that only work well in wooden design.

    I use lead holders, but there are some pencils that give a smooth glide that kill a lead holder!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dokkalfar View Post
    Personally, I like the drafting lead holders.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Leadholder.jpg


    Downside is... well for me, I have not found any unless it's the fact that the sharpener for it is a little larger.
    just grab one of these http://www.amazon.com/PRO-ART-LEAD-S.../dp/B0027AGG86 Great for the lead holder user on the go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stragan View Post
    lol thats exactly how i pictured thick-lead mechs

    btw if leadholder is really that good, why do people still continue using wooden pencils
    is it just because of tradition?
    It's probably just that the public doesn't need anything like the leadholder so they're harder to find and harder to buy leads for. Most people use regular mechanical pencils because they don't need to be sharpened. If they use a wooden pencil it's because they bought a pack of 20 for their kid for school or they got a complete set of art pencils or one turned up in the pencil cup at work or something. If they lose it it's not a big deal.

    Otherwise, I don't know about other artists but I find sharpening leadholders a bit of a pain. You end up with a sharpener full of incredibly fine graphite dust which proceeds to escape and get all over everything. I have to keep the sharpener in a plastic baggie if I don't want to carry sandpaper everywhere. Although it's nice to have a dust supply around if you have a sticky lock.
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    I already answered this question when the bastards made me switch from burnt twigs to pencils, but I can't find the thread in the archives. Sorry.
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    They're simply two different tools used for different jobs. It's like asking if oil paints would ever replace watercolors. Obviously not.

    That said, They each have their advantages to the right person. Everyone will find their own preferred ways to uses them. I personally like to begin a sketch with a mechanical pencil (HB in most cases). This is so I can keep the pencil moving without having to sharpen, and keep the line weight light and loose. I then switch to softer lead wood pencils (mostly 3b to 5b) then go over my initial sketch for a cleaner line, line weight variety, detail, and shading. During this stage my initial light drawing will nearly disappear only leaving subtle lines which I think adds some character.

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    Some people take lead holders really seriously.

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    oooooh... made me think of the old hand drafting days we had to do as part of engineering school. That was my favorite part of engineering too. Then we switched to CAD, and I got into 3D.

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    Dude...that link is...AWESOME! Where do you find this stuff?

    The reason I think most artists don't use lead holders is their weight...much heavier than wood pencils.
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    Nice link Elwell.

    Just a little trick from me. You can even use heavyweight chalk/pastel holder from Koh-I-Noor for square graphite sticks. All you need to do is wrap the stick several times with masking tape where it sticks inside. Holds really strong .

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    Mechanical pencil leads below .7, the graphite is cut with plastic. The marks they make are gray and the feel in your hand is slippery and nasty.

    I'm a big fan of lead holders and woodless pencils. The graphite in these (and in regular pencils) is cut with clay and feels crisp and gritty. Especially on rough newsprint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoat View Post
    Mechanical pencil leads below .7, the graphite is cut with plastic. The marks they make are gray and the feel in your hand is slippery and nasty.

    I'm a big fan of lead holders and woodless pencils. The graphite in these (and in regular pencils) is cut with clay and feels crisp and gritty. Especially on rough newsprint.
    It is worth remembering that all those great Renaissance masters basically used "lead holders" to hold their chalk or charcoal or silver wire. It's the wood pencil that is the newfangled gadget. ;-)

    Personally I like mechanical pencil, though for rapid sketches I prefer the broader line you get with a somewhat blunt wooden pencil. Haven't tried lead holders yet. I looked over them in an art supply shop today and very much liked their look and feel, so as soon as my current supply of wooden pencil run out, I'll probably switch to lead holders.
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    I've varied between mechanical and wooden, but it's mostly a result of my needing to create highly detailed images. Amusingly enough, it was only after I switched back to wooden pencils that I my detail improved. That being said, I generally stay away from graphite sticks nowadays because they're blunted far too easily by my rate of drawing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuruGaia View Post
    just grab one of these http://www.amazon.com/PRO-ART-LEAD-S.../dp/B0027AGG86 Great for the lead holder user on the go.
    That sharpener looks awesome. Too bad they don't ship to Canada!

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash jordan View Post
    That sharpener looks awesome. Too bad they don't ship to Canada!
    In case Faber Castell is sold in Canada they sell a similar sharpener for lead holders. The Blade gets dull very quickly but they cost only 0.50 euro a piece here. http://www.londongraphics.co.uk/acat...pener-lead.jpg

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