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July 7th, 2011 #1
Everyone Has A Graphic Novel
Is it just me or does it seem like everyone and their mother on this site always seems to be making some sort of graphic novel, when they don;t have any true skill when it comes ot anatomy or design. It seems like they don't even have the basic understanding of perspective.
I don;t get it.
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July 7th, 2011 #3
Why don't you go critique some of them so they can get better?
July 7th, 2011 #4
How would you propose they got to be worthy of your eyes if they didn't draw the best they could and then get feedback on how to improve?
July 7th, 2011 #5
Uhh how can you get better at making graphic novels or comics w/o....well making graphic novels or comics.
It's not just about anatomy. It's about storytelling too. You can have all the best anatomy in the world and still not convey proper storytelling.
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July 7th, 2011 #7
I don't get the point of this thread.
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What's wrong with people wanting to make a graphic novel?
It's nice to have a goal.
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July 7th, 2011 #9
Some of us are shitting out more than that (we have novels, great art, full length feature animations, sculptures etc) just that they're not fully formed or firm enough yet to crack the toilet bowl of life.
July 7th, 2011 #10
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July 7th, 2011 #11
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July 7th, 2011 #12
.. Lack of variety makes life boring and monotonus dude..
Last time I checked, the whole point of a comic and/or graphic novel was to tell a story or express humor...
I shall give you a few examples:
Everything by Johnen Vasquez or Rowan Dirge
Duckman, ren and stimpy..
Everything by Genndy Tartakovsky..
Frode Øverli.. Robert Crumb (well.. Under Harvey Pekar)
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July 8th, 2011 #16
The irony is I'm working on a page right now for mine I'm doing for fun. Started 2 because they're great fun and practice (was keeping up with them in my sketchbook but don't like releasing page by page dilutes any attempt at a story with suspense) but basically. Comics are hard. I thought oh yeah I'll just start these then practice anatomy and environments as I go along then I'll be good to go.
Never tried drawing a comic before, then when you do you realize you have to think about things like "logic" and keeping things consistent. If in one panel a character is a few feet from another, then the next he's well over twice the distance it doesn't make sense. You have to throw in a ton of angles you normally wouldn't use. Below, above, from a distance, up close, some weird ones you wouldn't think of. Otherwise it will get dull and it doesn't convey much info. The story, you think Oh I'll just draft out a story. But sitting there spending hours page by page trying to inch along a story but keep true to what you originally planned is hard. Then it forces you to draw things you've never done. Oh well I need to have a forest scene but I've never done one. Welp better practice and learn as you go, never drawn a car? Nows a good time to start because it doesn't make sense why they wouldn't just take the car that should exist. The list goes on and on. Even if you are a master of anatomy or design doesn't mean you can draw a comic.
I rant because I suck at drawing comics too, doesn't keep me from trying to make one for fun.
July 8th, 2011 #17
I know right? The nerve on them.
But keep it efficient , anytime you see a sb of someone using their time constructively trying their hands on something they dont excel in but try to get better at, contact a moderator right away so they can be quickly banned.
July 8th, 2011 #18
(1) I see, and practice constantly to rigid requirements...therefore I produce absolutely perfect anatomy on every thing I draw that requires perfect anatomy...like an orange riding a bicycle.
(2) I think...therefore I produce a story that requires some sort of art to express, whether it needs absolutely perfect anatomy or not. I probably can do my story with a crayon and only squares, circles and triangles, and not all that well drawn either.
I fall into the second group above because I don't really give a fuck whether my hero's nostrils are exactly where they should be when all he has to do is teach some 12-year-old how to save his world, treat his sister and girlfriend nicely, and not drink Drano mixed with Pepsi.
Sorry about that...though I might be persuaded to change my opinion if someone can explain in one paragraph the absolutely perfect anatomy an orange would need if it wanted to ride a bike.
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July 8th, 2011 #19
Well, I for one am not making a graphic novel, though I have been considering copying one, frame by frame, the entire thing, in the hope of learning something from the exercise...
My sketchbook thread:
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It's also a test of longevity, dedication, stamina and ambition, - there's nothing harder to achieve; I would consider it the ultimate in self achievement.
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July 8th, 2011 #23
We can totally make it that! Let's hijack the thread! :D
I've actually had an idea that's been percolating for a while - mostly because there's stories I want to see and read that just..aren't out there right now. Or, I just haven't found them yet! :) Granted, at least half of that is nostalgia for old sci-fi.
So! EVERYONE has a story inside them. Or actually, stories. I think what people struggle with sometimes is that they get so wrapped up in what happens (the plot) they forget that characters drive the story. Each choice the protagonist makes should have an affect. That's what makes My Neighbor Totoro such a great film, even though it's not an action film. (Besides the whole fantastical element, which is great) What happens in the story only happens because of the character's decisions.
And of course, we have to care about the character. (And if we don't care about the character, we don't care about what happens.)
Which is of course, easier said that done.. :)
I also think graphic novels are a great way to tell those stories - it's a way for artists to share their ideas in a sequential manner, without the cost or time it takes to make a film. Of course graphic novels have their own specific challenges - page design, inconsistent panel shape (which can be a bonus!) and so on. I imagine the medium leads to certain challenges for pacing, since it's so easy for the eye to skip ahead.
That, and of course, I'd recommend trying to do a graphic novel over more floating in space heads and bodies any day. :)
Hey, a complete tangent - I'd LOVE to see the various thumbnails that people go through to create a piece, or a page layout - and how it changes.
...I really should not post this late in the evening. Morning. whatever. :)
July 8th, 2011 #24
there is only the one graphic novel.........kinda like there was one guy who showed up on set who accedentially.... got shot in the back......there was also the the witchblade
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July 8th, 2011 #25Sorry about that...though I might be persuaded to change my opinion if someone can explain in one paragraph the absolutely perfect anatomy an orange would need if it wanted to ride a bike.
July 8th, 2011 #26
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July 8th, 2011 #29
+oast+ where is your art? Show us your awesome anatomy, design, and perspective skills?
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