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    Anatomy Sketchbook



    Hello everyone,

    I'm new here, I've been browsing the forums for about 2-3 week, finally decided to make an account about a week ago, and now time for my first post.

    Anyway a little about me. I was never really interested in art until about a year ago. I am currently 20 (21 in August), so I'm starting somewhat late, but this is going to just be more of a hobby for me. I decided to start with anatomy studies, and after a few months of searching for a good set of instructions that fit my learning style, I finally found something that worked for me, The Complete Structure of Man by Riven Phoenix. I've been working on this course for about two months now and have just about completed the spine and ribs (haven't been rushing it). For all my progress you can check my DA here:
    http://mars44dragons.deviantart.com/gallery/

    As nice as DA is, it doesn't help with the thing that I really want which is critique and people telling me what I need to improve on. So I found this site and here I am.

    Anyway I'll start by posting my newest two drawing which I did a couple of days ago, and took a lot of time trying to make it look nice. Then drew over it just to see how it would look if I drew muscle lines. This isn't a big deal to me that I ruined the drawing because I think what is really important is that I can reproduce it at any time.


    The next one I drew today, it's sloppy but what I was really working on with this one wasn't how neat it is, instead I was working on making long lines by moving my shoulder and elbow and not short sketchy lines with my wrist without picking up my pencil. As you might be able to see, when I do that I get these little jerks in the line, so they aren't very smooth.

    Anyway any advice/tips/tutorials/links is welcomed. Some things that I think would make a huge improvement to my art, and feel free to correct these, are:
    • More anatomy study
    • More practice drawing smooth lines with my shoulder elbows and not sketchy lines with my wrist
    • Shading (or I think you guys refer to this as rendering, but I think this should wait until I actually know how to draw things since without that I can't expect to shade it)
    • More variety (I've been focusing on human anatomy some variety would probably help)
    • Perception


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    So since my last post I've been in a lazy mood where I just want to study but not practice, but I finally snapped out of it and am back to anatomy. Anyway I have pretty much memorized the back and side view of the rib cage, but the front view is proving to be a little difficult. Riven Phoenix tells you the right way to draw it, but doesn't draw it correct himself. Basicly I first noticed the problem when for the front view lessons he only drew 11 ribs. Then I skipped ahead to the front view with the pelvis, and saw he did it with 12 ribs there, so I used that as a reference when I was drawing. However I noticed he still wasn't drawing it the way he told us to draw it, so I needed to figure out which was the correct way, the way he was telling us to draw it, or the way he was drawing it. Ended up being the way he was telling us to draw it. With that said, the front view here is incorrect. There should be 6 ribs attached directly to the sternum, and 4 branching off, and then 2 hanging. But they way he drew it, which is how I copied, was drawing 7 ribs attached to the sternum, 3 branching off, and 2 hanging.

    Another problem is the whole making it look 3 dimensional. The spine is made of disks, and although Riven's drawings make it look easy to make things look like they are getting closer and drawing the disks round and not straight, it really isn't. You can see on the back view, I really didn't round the disks at all, but I did make them get thicker, which just makes it look flat and like it buldges out in certain places. The front view I put a little more effort into that.

    I also was messing around with shading/rendering, or as I think the pros refer to it as adding value to the image. I drew a little ball and shaded it to my understanding of how it should work. The problem for me is blending the different darknesses. I've was messing around with hatching and cross hatching for that.

    Then I decided I should probably draw something from life, since observing values will probably help me understand it better. So I drew a pop can that was on my desk.

    Anyway please please critique/give me advice, I appreciate it.

    EDIT: I just updated all the images so they are attached and not using the URL tags. This also meant resizing but that's not a problem since they were super blown up before which makes sketchy lines look even worse.
    Last edited by Mars.; July 11th, 2011 at 04:52 PM.
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    Hello Mars,

    I recently started working on the anatomy with River Phoenix too and I find his method quite effective. What I would suggest to you though is you have an anatomy reference book whilst studying using those videos. His videos are to help with the fundamental but if you need want to push further refer to the anatomy books which I do.

    Funny enough we are at the same stage. I just started the working on the pelvics and having a tough time getting it right.

    With your drawings try to add your own style as it makes it easier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sapeleboy View Post
    Hello Mars,

    I recently started working on the anatomy with River Phoenix too and I find his method quite effective. What I would suggest to you though is you have an anatomy reference book whilst studying using those videos. His videos are to help with the fundamental but if you need want to push further refer to the anatomy books which I do.

    Funny enough we are at the same stage. I just started the working on the pelvics and having a tough time getting it right.

    With your drawings try to add your own style as it makes it easier.
    Yeah I actually have been referencing the parts I'm learning just to check if they are correct or accurate enough. I honestly doubt this will be the main method I eventually use to draw out figures, however just the fact that it is very in depth in teaching what I am drawing makes it worth it for me.

    And yeah, I've looked at the pelvis it's a bit confusing with the hole in the middle and on the sides looking like they are attached to eachother, but I think I have the idea down.
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    I get the back and the front a bit confusing but I think I will get around to it. On the plus side drawing the skull has now become almost second nature and am pleased about that.

    What about you. Any areas you feel comfortable with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sapeleboy View Post
    I get the back and the front a bit confusing but I think I will get around to it. On the plus side drawing the skull has now become almost second nature and am pleased about that.

    What about you. Any areas you feel comfortable with?
    Haha, I finally got to the back and front of the pelvis, and I've gotta say I disagree. Pretty much I got the front view down, and then did the back, and realized it's almost exactly the same. You just gotta visualize how you would flip it. Which lines do you see from the back. The side view on the other hand, that's weird. 3/4ths view is gonna be confusing.

    And I completely agree with you on the skull. It is second nature now. I occasionally get worried about forgetting it, but we spent so much time on the skull that it's hard to forgot.

    Anyway I should be updating later today when I have the time.
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    Was supposed to update yesterday but I didn't. Gonna copy/paste stuff from deviant art.

    Image 1:

    So anyway, the past week I haven't done much. This is getting to a frustration point, between me wanted to do it and putting it off for other stuff, and me drawing and then remembering how long it takes to draw out all this stuff now. It's been worth it, honestly it's nice being able to draw a cool looking skeleton, but it takes 30 minutes on one drawing. It's frustrating, because I don't even want to be drawing skeletons at the end of this.

    But anyway, enough whining, lets talk about my progress. I decided to step away from the rib cage, since I pretty much know what I'm doing with it now, it's just I don't feel like drawing it out. So yesterday I took a look back at drawing a skull. I was messing around with the proportions of it, as you can see I drew one normal length and then one really tall. I also have been worried about my ability to draw slightly angled skulls, so I drew one very slightly turned from the side. Ended up being worried about nothing, I still got it.

    Finally I printed out some Bargue plates a couple weeks ago. I figure these will help me more when I actually get to drawing figure with muscles, but hey, why not try one out now. The concept of Bargue plates, is he draws out different body parts from different angles, with a cross in them. Using that cross, you draw your own cross, and then copy it down. It's the same exact concept Riven Phoenix uses with his formulas, exept you don't have him telling you exactly where the stuff is supposed to be. With that said, I still think it compliments The Structure of Man very nicely.

    Ignore the center drawing, that's old and incorrect, I draw a rough sketch of the right way on the bottom left. I just wanted to use this paper more since it had a lot of white, so I did.

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    So the last peice I submitted, I told you how I was getting frustrated with the ribs. So my solution is I will do the pelvis, legs, and feet then come back and finish mastering drawing them out. So here are two front view I did of the pelvis. The front view ended up being easier than I thought, or maybe it was because I previewed it 2 weeks or so ago, and now it was in the back of my mind. Nothing special though, using the formulas to draw these out. Certainly looks a better proportioned then the last ones I submitted though, right?

    Image 3:

    So anyway, at this point I felt I had the front view mastered, so I did the back view. What I didn't realize, was how easy the back view would be after knowing the front view. Pretty much you draw the same stuff, however you gotta figure out which lines to erase to make it look like the back instead of the front.

    With that I started the side view, however I was getting tired so I decided to go to bed and not try memorizing things when I am bound to forget them.

    Image 4:

    So anyway final peice I have done right now. The two drawings top were done this morning so I could see if it sank in over night or if I would forget it. Then the two bottom drawing were done in a more freehand style, done only using a plus.

    Image 5:

    Looks like that break might have done me well. Finally rolling again. Today I went through the side view a few times, then decided to go on to drawing the entire front view with everything we have so far. I haven't mastered the side view of the pelvis yet, so I'm going to eventually have to go back.

    But for now I'm happy with where I'm at. Also something I found important with this one was to actually draw the scapula on the figure. I haven't been doing that even though I know how to do it.

    NOTE: The first four I posted on DA yesterday, last one I posted today, so that's why I'm talking about two different times being the present.
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    Hey Mars,

    Honestly some of the drawing look ok but you need to try and make your lines more organic. Some of your lines look very static and I kind of have that same problem too. From the amount of reading I have, most of the artist suggest you practice drawing more organically.

    As you mentioned The Skeleton is barely the beginning of all this. Once we have mastered that then we can move on to other things.

    Also sounds like you are just as impatient as I am because one drawing takes up to 30 minutes and that frustrates me too but if that what it takes then so be it.

    With regards to forgetting things like the head, we have to draw that quite regularly I believe. After a week of not looking at the head.. It take some time to get it right.

    And Mar we cant rush this.. but Damn I cant wait to confidently draw a skeleton head to toe with no reference material.

    Keep it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sapeleboy View Post
    Hey Mars,

    Honestly some of the drawing look ok but you need to try and make your lines more organic. Some of your lines look very static and I kind of have that same problem too. From the amount of reading I have, most of the artist suggest you practice drawing more organically.

    As you mentioned The Skeleton is barely the beginning of all this. Once we have mastered that then we can move on to other things.

    Also sounds like you are just as impatient as I am because one drawing takes up to 30 minutes and that frustrates me too but if that what it takes then so be it.

    With regards to forgetting things like the head, we have to draw that quite regularly I believe. After a week of not looking at the head.. It take some time to get it right.

    And Mar we cant rush this.. but Damn I cant wait to confidently draw a skeleton head to toe with no reference material.

    Keep it up.
    Yeah actually for some reason when I started back up my wrist feels super weak when I am drawing. Don't know if I just noticed it now, but it definately helps to see your weaknesses. That's why the earlier sketches are really bad, the final one I spent a bit more time doing better lines.
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    Hey Mars, thanks for commenting in my sketchbook! I'm afraid I'm not familiar with the method of study that you're currently on, so it's hard for me to give you any advice about it. But I will say that I think you should consider switching off between this method and other forms of drawing study. For instance, have you considered doing loose gesture studies of the full figure from photos/models? That might help you loosen up a bit, improve your general drawing ability, and give you a broader idea of how the bones that you're currently studying fit into the final form. Whatever method or course you choose to follow, I wish you the best of luck. Keep posting!
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    I agree with Dierat. Studies are good (especially skeletons since we all have one) but how that skeleton moves is also very important. The skelly is a frame for all the muscle, skin, etc that we have. Straight on shots will teach you basic forms. But perspective shots will teach you to draw what is there and not what you THINK is there. I would recommend doing some contours of people or even just simple mocks of motion and people in general. When you get to drawing the flesh, it is extremely helpful and doesn't run the risk of completely burning you out.
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    Thank you both of you for commenting. I completely agree, however, like masterpug said, I need to know what is there, not what I think is there, which means I need to learn basic anatomy before I get into perspective.

    I wanna upload a couple of images later showing how I progress through drawing these out, because the way I am learning it is very structured, I'm sure you would agree. It's almost like a gesture system for the skeleton.

    Let me know if I'm wrong, but my understanding of gesture drawing is simplifying the body into shapes and then putting those shapes together. That's it. Then if you want to complete it you can, but you have the gesture down now, just gotta fill it in.

    That's what I'm doing. And I know from looking ahead Riven eventually teaches the mannequin system, so I don't need to draw out the skeleton and then put on the flesh every time I draw out a human.

    So I don't want to sound ungreatful, because I appreciate you taking to time to make suggestions, however right now I am just too uncomfortable with the human body to try drawing it in perspective poses too. Once I complete the anatomy stuff, I definately feel like I should start with what you suggested.
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    I'm with the others. Simplify the body into boxes first to get the general proportions right as I'm not seeing them on your skeletons - the spine is miles too wide. Once you've got the proportions, then you can fill in the detail.
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