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    Stop Whining, Start Working

    I wrote this for my blog, but I thought this was worth cross posting:

    I hear it all the time:

    Am I talented enough? How much should I draw? Am I studying right? Whatís the best way to use XYZ book? Art school or no art school? Do I need a degree? How will I know when Iím professional? What should I draw? Should I do more studies or finished work? What are the best materials? What kind of paint should I use? What pencil should I use? Are pencils or pens better to draw with? Should I draw big or small? Is it bad to draw from photos? Should I paint digitally or traditionally? Am I too old to start learning? Is Photoshop or Painter better? Whatís the best way to hold a pencil? Where should I find inspiration? What do I do if Iím not inspired? How do I get through ďartistís blockĒ? How long will it take to be a professional? Why does it feel like Iím not improving? Should I get a Moleskine? Is art dead? What is art? How do I do backgrounds? What are the best tutorials? What resolution should I work at? How do I come up with good ideas? What do I do if I stop enjoying art?

    Well, I have the answer to all of your questions: it doesnít matter. Really. It doesnít. These questions are excuses, plain and simple. They are used by people who arenít drawing or painting that want to get wrapped up in petty minutiae at the expense of their own work.

    The fact is that if you want to make art, then you need to make art. I could answer every single question on this list and it wouldnít make you the slightest bit better at drawing.

    Now, I should qualify these statements before people start chucking rocks: these are mostly valid questions, with equally valid answers. Theyíre worth discussing at times, and are things that youíll eventually figure out. But by and large, youíll figure them all out for yourself by working. Notice a pattern here? Donít be afraid to ask questions and research things, but be sure youíre not doing it at the expense of actually learning things.

    So shut up, stop whining, and get to work.
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    All I have to say is brilliant my good man.
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    Cool

    Go Noah! All growed up and bad ass... well said. I dunno can CA stand another artist who thinks you get somehwere by actually working at it?
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    Things like this should be stickied!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noah Bradley View Post
    But by and large, youíll figure them all out for yourself by working.
    As Picasso said, inspiration exists, but it has to find you working.

    And as someone else suggested, your post should be turned into a sticky, where I can see it every day. Or perhaps I should print it out and stick it to my forehead. I'm a notorious procrastinator and whiner.

    But I am now learning from personal experience that indeed, none of those questions matter.

    Here's a rhetorical question: how did those Renaissance artists get so good? After all, they had no web, no tablets, no access to huge amounts of other artists' work, no big choice of drawing materials, no huge library of possible anatomy or perspective books. They drew with bits of silver wire on small scraps of paper. Or with homemade charcoal or chalk, and using pieces of old bread as erasers. But they could draw circles around most of us.

    How come?

    Michelangelo gave the answer in a note he wrote to a student: "Draw Antonio, draw, and don't waste time." ;-)

    So shut up, stop whining, and get to work.
    I'm having too much fun enthusing about your post... ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noah Bradley View Post
    I wrote this for my blog, but I thought this was worth cross posting:

    I hear it all the time:

    Am I talented enough? How much should I draw? Am I studying right? Whatís the best way to use XYZ book? Art school or no art school? Do I need a degree? How will I know when Iím professional? What should I draw? Should I do more studies or finished work? What are the best materials? What kind of paint should I use? What pencil should I use? Are pencils or pens better to draw with? Should I draw big or small? Is it bad to draw from photos? Should I paint digitally or traditionally? Am I too old to start learning? Is Photoshop or Painter better? Whatís the best way to hold a pencil? Where should I find inspiration? What do I do if Iím not inspired? How do I get through ďartistís blockĒ? How long will it take to be a professional? Why does it feel like Iím not improving? Should I get a Moleskine? Is art dead? What is art? How do I do backgrounds? What are the best tutorials? What resolution should I work at? How do I come up with good ideas? What do I do if I stop enjoying art?

    Well, I have the answer to all of your questions:
    yes
    alot
    sure
    do it
    work hard
    no
    when you get paid
    everything
    both
    all of them
    the kind that paints
    the kind that draws
    both
    both
    no
    both
    no
    both
    in your hand if you have one
    everywhere
    keep working
    keep working
    keep working
    if you want
    no
    art
    you do them
    the ones that teach you something
    any
    do a lot of them
    chill
    Haha all in good fun, good post Noah
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    I have made your post into my starting page.



    Also, "Why does it feel like I’m not improving?" - I feel guilty lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noah Bradley View Post
    ...

    Am I talented enough? How much should I draw? Am I studying right? What’s the best way to use XYZ book? Art school or no art school? Do I need a degree? How will I know when I’m professional? What should I draw? Should I do more studies or finished work? What are the best materials? What kind of paint should I use? What pencil should I use? Are pencils or pens better to draw with? Should I draw big or small? Is it bad to draw from photos? Should I paint digitally or traditionally? Am I too old to start learning? Is Photoshop or Painter better? What’s the best way to hold a pencil? Where should I find inspiration? What do I do if I’m not inspired? How do I get through “artist’s block”? How long will it take to be a professional? Why does it feel like I’m not improving? Should I get a Moleskine? Is art dead? What is art? How do I do backgrounds? What are the best tutorials? What resolution should I work at? How do I come up with good ideas? What do I do if I stop enjoying art?
    ...
    If someone types any of these questions, and hits "post", there could be a filter that redirects them to a list of threads with the same key words in the title of their post. Voiding their post.

    Kind of like the "Similar Threads" box at the bottom, except make it pop up before they post the thread.
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    Ryan K - you know, that's actually sounds doable. Maybe Jason Manley should read this
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    I was pondering over "questions", and you've given such an excellent answer, Noah. I just notice that more people ask these questions but are afraid to look for an answer too--by putting their pencil down and trying, or by learning from others' examples and working with what they find out.

    It can be unnerving to try out your curiosity as you ask things, but it beats not doing it for X number of years and feeling bad later.
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    Oh man, can we sticky this?? Soooo many recent posts make me want to scream "JUST DRAW ALREADY!!" (Is it a summer thing? Or what?)
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    Seriously?

    You are upset that people ask questions like these: "Should I do more studies or finished work? What are the best materials? What kind of paint should I use? What pencil should I use? Are pencils or pens better to draw with? Should I draw big or small? Is it bad to draw from photos? Should I paint digitally or traditionally? Am I too old to start learning? "

    Really?REALLY? You honestly can't understand why a new artist would want these questions answered? If you want to get mad at them for not using the search function, thats fine. But don't be mad at them for asking questions.

    I mean...holy shit, do you not expect someone to ask questions knowing that professionals might answer those questions? I don't give a damn if it upsets you that so many people ask those questions. That's no excuse to be rude in how you address those questions. I just don't understand wtf is up with all the anger and pent up emotions here?

    If you don't want to answer the questions, then don't. Stop bitching about people whining and go DRAW(works both ways). This thread could have easily been 100% professional by answering those questions with the response OP provided. But instead, the artists who might have those questions probably feels stupid now for asking excuses(didn't know that was possible) and should promptly shut up and draw.

    Ya, sticky this, I'm sure it will make newcomers feel very welcome.

    I can understand anger towards the lack of effort to use the search function. But to think people aren't/shouldn't/wouldn't ask these questions is silly. There's kids here from all age groups. And a lot of them don't know anything about drawing.

    As OP pointed out, a lot of those questions are fairly valid. So I don't know why they are even included. If this thread is stickied, it will definitely send the wrong message.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UmpaArt View Post
    Seriously?

    You are upset that people ask questions like these: "Should I do more studies or finished work? What are the best materials? What kind of paint should I use? What pencil should I use? Are pencils or pens better to draw with? Should I draw big or small? Is it bad to draw from photos? Should I paint digitally or traditionally? Am I too old to start learning? "

    Really?REALLY? You honestly can't understand why a new artist would want these questions answered? If you want to get mad at them for not using the search function, thats fine. But don't be mad at them for asking questions.

    I mean...holy shit, do you not expect someone to ask questions knowing that professionals might answer those questions? I don't give a damn if it upsets you that so many people ask those questions. That's no excuse to be rude in how you address those questions. I just don't understand wtf is up with all the anger and pent up emotions here?

    If you don't want to answer the questions, then don't. Stop bitching about people whining and go DRAW(works both ways). This thread could have easily been 100% professional by answering those questions with the response OP provided. But instead, the artists who might have those questions probably feels stupid now for asking excuses(didn't know that was possible) and should promptly shut up and draw.

    Ya, sticky this, I'm sure it will make newcomers feel very welcome.

    I can understand anger towards the lack of effort to use the search function. But to think people aren't/shouldn't/wouldn't ask these questions is silly. There's kids here from all age groups. And a lot of them don't know anything about drawing.

    As OP pointed out, a lot of those questions are fairly valid. So I don't know why they are even included. If this thread is stickied, it will definitely send the wrong message.

    /end rock chucking
    You really missed the point of this thread if you feel this way. I suggest you reread the first post and especially look at this

    "Now, I should qualify these statements before people start chucking rocks: these are mostly valid questions, with equally valid answers. They’re worth discussing at times, and are things that you’ll eventually figure out. But by and large, you’ll figure them all out for yourself by working. Notice a pattern here? Don’t be afraid to ask questions and research things, but be sure you’re not doing it at the expense of actually learning things." -Noah Bradley

    Stop chucking those rocks.
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