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    Are all liberals open minded? All conservatives closed minded?

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    Generalizing, is closed minded.

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    when should it be allowed and when should it never be allowed?

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    There are just as many liberals who are closed-minded as there are conservatives. IMO, anyone on one side of the spectrum or the other needs to open their eyes and mind. The far leftists/rightists are what is wrong with the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aryeh View Post
    Are all liberals open minded? All conservatives closed minded?
    What truely makes a person open minded or closed minded?

    I open this discussion realizing that a huge majority of the membership here is probably very liberally oriented.
    (Ide like to ask there be no mocking or name calling if possible...)
    I think being open minded is allowing other people to live and voice opposite lifestyles and opinions. Not trying to silence them or pass laws to control them.
    Usually, not always, conservatives want to control your body and liberals want to control your wallet. I don't appreciate either one.

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    Politics is a fetishistic view of life, that fixates on one aspect of reality and funnels all information down through it. Like people who only see things in terms of Freudianism, or only through the Marxioid "Oppressed or Oppressor" categories, or only as "what god wants me to do" or as class jealousy, or how much money I make compared to you...

    Politics destroys so many minds because it plays on people's hatred, jealousies and disappointments with life and turns them into mindless perfect consumers of the ideology and rejectors of anything not sanctioned from within their bubble.

    Politics is the problem. The antidote is being more concerned with your own life than how you compare with others, and more concerned with thinking for yourself and doing for yourself than having someone else do your doing and thinking for you. In other words, shut down your media intake, and increase your life experience.

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    I open this discussion realizing that a huge majority of the membership here is probably very liberally oriented.
    Would it were so. I'm afraid we've got a nest of Randians here though.

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    YAY for being randy...oh...wait...we're talkin' about politicks...?




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    politics is an emotional game so i am not really sure who are the open minded ones
    liberals are closed minded to the conservatives
    conservatives are close minded to the liberals
    etc etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilaekae View Post
    YAY for being randy...oh...wait...we're talkin' about politicks...?




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    On the political spectrum I consider myself a left-leaning moderate. I went to a very liberal college for my undergraduate work and was in a very liberal Anthropology graduate program after that. And I was constantly amazed at how close-minded many of my liberal acquaintances were. What really made it bad is that they were all convinced they were extremely open-minded because they championed marginalized and subaltern opinions. However they tended to be aggressively close-minded to other views, often disregarding them out of hand (and with no real consideration).

    I don't want to over-generalize, I've known quite a few people proudly and staunchly entrenched on the Right or Left who still managed complex and nuanced views about polarizing subject - and most people I know don't fit in the extremes to begin with. However it seems to me that some people look at the extremes on the "other" side and use this as evidence that they need to become more extreme in the other direction to balance it out.

    If you'll permit a volatile example, I've known a lot of people on the left who turn a blind eye to problems in the Middle East because they're trying to combat unfair stereotypes perpetrated by Conservatives. It's an issue at the forefront now, but a couple years ago a lot of these liberal people went out of their way to ignore the totalitarian regimes in the Middle East. Now they were aware of them, they did oppose them, but they never mentioned them.

    Of course this meant they were doing the same thing that their opponents were doing: over-generalizing and limiting their portrayal to half of the fact. Even worse these liberal acquaintances who were talk at length about how Muslims were being unfairly portrayed by the actions of an extreme few would then turn around and bash Christianity as a whole and only point to the most extreme examples on that side.

    So in the end I do think more liberal people tend to be more open minded, but they are plenty of people who identify themselves as "liberal" who manage to be just as closed minded as the people they oppose.

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    No idealogue is open-minded, by definition. Left and right each have formed a complete notion of how the world works and what can be done to improve it. Those worldviews compete, are mutually exclusive in many ways and it is possible that one or the other is more objectively, measurably true.

    Being genuinely open-minded means you haven't made your mind up on a subject. I suppose that's better than being flat wrong, but it isn't an intrinsically valuable quality. In a sense, it's a form of ignorance. Or indifference, maybe.

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    in the very general basis, yes. Although there are conservative traits in liberals and liberalism traits in conservative as well.

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    Left or right, people very easily become entrenched in their views on a subject. There are a lot of debates about stuff but people's minds are rarely changed - you're more likely to enter a discussion being for or against something, say your bit, maybe defend your opinion ...and that's about it. How often have a few well-chosen words actually swayed your political beliefs? I think sometimes people need to properly encounter the subject in person to even slightly reconsider their stances.

    I'd define my views as liberal but I don't equate that to an open mind. If I'm all for the liberal view on a subject then I'm unlikely to take the words of the 'opposition' seriously. I can't help it and don't usually even realise I'm doing it... but then I see Glenn Beck on Fox News weeping 'I just love America' or read some sniffy article demonising Muslims/gays/women/teenagers/foreigners in the Daily Mail... and it's really hard to imagine doing it any other way.

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    I don't like the labels liberal or conservative in general. Usually when they label themselves they automatically set themselves up for a mindset basically against the other party and their ideals blindly. Obviously there are different extremes but your still generalizing yourself.


    Are all liberals open minded? All conservatives closed minded?
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    Yes and No to both.
    I have met liberals who think all conservatives are a certain way, and vice versa. It seems to happen when they think that their political views are better than the others, rather than just different. It leads to generalizing, and the this person must be stupid because their opinion is different than mine way of thinking. I think being open-minded with politics means you're willing to listen other people's views and reasoning, even when you don't agree with them.

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    Labels like that are useless ways to categorize, generalize, and fit in.

    I would like to think that those most enlightened are those who do not pick sides and categorize themselves.

    I think that those in search of balance in all areas of life are more likely to fall under a category of being "open minded".

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    Open minded... seek to understand before you judge.
    Closed minded .... cast judgement based on stereotypes.

    A friend of mine says "If you were not liberal when you were young, you don't have a heart, if you didn't turn into a conservative when you got older, you don't have a brain"

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    I've come to realize that close minded people are just scared of what could potentially exist. People fear what they don't understand or can't control.

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    Yeah the very idea of subscribing to a political belief makes you more closed minded. But the conservatives are blatantly closed minded and celebrate ignorance. At least liberals have enough since to be in denial.

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    There is more than one definition for both "liberal" and "conservative." If you're using the general, non-political definitions, than liberals are tautologically more open minded than conservatives. Political liberalism, however, is only tangentially related to this more general liberalism, especially now that political liberals spend most of their time protecting programs started decades ago. It's certainly possible to be politically liberal and close minded, and vice versa.

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