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    drafting men for army in america

    your opinion on it?

    in what cases should it be allowed
    and in what cases should it never be allowed
    should we require drafting of ladies too to make it fair for young men

    i feel awkward about the middle east situation right now


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    Go draft yourself. The US military's been improving rather well ever since they dropped conscription and went professional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stragan View Post
    your opinion on it?

    in what cases should it be allowed
    and in what cases should it never be allowed
    should we require drafting of ladies too to make it fair for young men

    i feel awkward about the middle east situation right now
    With the state of the economy right now, there's no need for a draft.

    Even if the military were hurting for people (they're not), drafting isn't a good idea. You end up with people who don't want to serve. When you're asking someone to perform a life-threatening job, it's best if you don't force them into the position.

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    I'm a pacifist. Wars exist because republicans exist. Then come greed, an specialized form of selfish. Women are useless due to biology and their intelligence are better used elsewhere.

    Battles in the Middle East are not new as it been thousands years ago. It sucks that due to United States' complicated international relationship, it ought go out and fight even if we couldn't afford to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nonameowns View Post
    Women are useless due to biology and their intelligence are better used elsewhere.
    Um. Wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nonameowns View Post
    Women are useless due to biology and their intelligence are better used elsewhere.
    Way to open a can of worms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nonameowns View Post
    Women are useless due to biology and their intelligence are better used elsewhere.
    Just so you know, your comment reeks heavily of stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nonameowns View Post
    I'm a pacifist. Wars exist because republicans exist.
    C-C-C-Combo breaker!

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    While I understand the argument against a draft ,here is mine for it.
    First draft men and women, this would almost make sure the war we started was needed because the outcry would keep the pressure on to end it. The draft gave you a larger pool of diverse people than volunteer service.

    Volunteer may be good for the armed services but it sucks for prosecuting a war where you need overwhelming forces to win. The reason the wars now are so long and protracted is we didn't have enough bodies to do it right.

    Now everything is monetized. The reason these three actions cost so much is we are paying private companies to do what we used to do with drafted soldiers that weren't combat material. Instead of paying a haliburton employee 100 bucks an hour to serve slop you had a private serving it for a dollar a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dpaint View Post
    The reason the wars now are so long and protracted is we didn't have enough bodies to do it right.
    To do what right ? ILLEGALLY invade other countries, kill their civilians and destabilize the area so we can steal resources and set up a central bank ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nonameowns View Post
    I'm a pacifist.
    Well you'd best find out how to not be, because you've got a lot of pitchforks coming your way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gruve24 View Post
    To do what right ? ILLEGALLY invade other countries, kill their civilians and destabilize the area so we can steal resources and set up a central bank ?
    I am talking about once there, prosecuting it quickly and effectively not if it was the right thing to do. I hate to say it; but I actually agree with your asessment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nonameowns View Post
    Wars exist because republicans exist.
    Damn right! Fuck Lincoln and Eiserhower!



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    Quote Originally Posted by gruve24 View Post
    To do what right ? ILLEGALLY invade other countries, kill their civilians and destabilize the area so we can steal resources and set up a central bank ?
    "We went there to take their oil!"

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    guys lets be honest this is a topic that will get out of hand very quickly and it will end in a mess , if I where a admin Ill shut down this thread immediately.

    Because lets face it its a discussion soaked with superficial knowledge and a rather deadlocked point of view from each and everyone. The Internet simply isnt the place to talk about such things because there is too much douchbaggery and people that are plain stupid:

    i.e: nonameowns "I'm a pacifist. Wars exist because republicans exist. Then come greed, an specialized form of selfish. Women are useless due to biology and their intelligence are better used elsewhere.

    Battles in the Middle East are not new as it been thousands years ago. It sucks that due to United States' complicated international relationship, it ought go out and fight even if we couldn't afford to."

    this is the absolutely unreflected anarcho-bullshit ( the part about woman being redneck-bullshit ) you hear all the time, dont get me wrong you can and have to be against such behavior (the war thingy you know ^^), but youll never see where the roots of these things are because you simply are too narrow... all you do is repeating after others and you never learned to think on your own. I mean ...."Wars exist because republicans exist." ...one cant be so ignorant to think this is true ...the problem is much more profound and can be found in the very foundations of society itself you have hundreds of different reasons for the existence of war - that together form a construct so complicated and rambling only like 0,001% of the people will ever see the things as they really are....so enough with the ranting ....and I reported you for "Women are useless due to biology and their intelligence are better used elsewhere." ...

    And to all of you, youll never ever achieve anything by such discussions because its simply impossible to convince anybody from a varying point of view no matter how plausible or logic your arguments will be, if they could agree with you they would have in the first place.

    I know it started as a simple "what do you think ?"-question but it already evolved into an argument and it will only become worse ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nonameowns View Post
    I'm a pacifist. Wars exist because republicans exist. Then come greed, an specialized form of selfish. Women are useless due to biology and their intelligence are better used elsewhere.

    Battles in the Middle East are not new as it been thousands years ago.
    It sucks that due to United States' complicated international relationship, it ought go out and fight even if we couldn't afford to.
    So wait, they had Republicans back then?

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    I am not for the draft. My faith does not allow me to participate in any acts which would bring others harm. And I truly agree with that in my heart.
    And I also agree, that if someone doesn't want to leave behind the people they love and who love them to go fight in a war that they disagree with then they shouldn't.

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    This thread got pretty hilarious pretty quickly.

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    women in military =/= putting women in combat position
    but remember that piloting is a combat position and there were lady pilots in ww2

    even though there are many examples of women throughout history who fought really good and were leaders, there's still plenty of positions in military that doesnt require physical strength


    btw funny how pilots are known to have daughters
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    Quote Originally Posted by stragan View Post
    women in military =/= putting women in combat position

    there's still plenty of positions in military that doesnt require physical strength
    could we please end this whole "woman are physically unable to be in combat" bullshit ? ..When Ive been in for service I had a female Lieutenant that could easily rip your arm of she was like literally 200 pounds of muscles ...its all part of training sure they probably wont lift as much as a man ...but lets face you dont have to look like this :

    drafting men for army in america

    to go to war ...actually it would be hindering. Their is only a certain amount of muscles you need and every woman could reach that point easily...so please please please just stop this nonsense about how woman cant be in combat situations its mostly about endurance not strength because lets face it ..we have to pull a lot of triggers these days ...we dont go to war with a giant mace clubbing people to death ... you dont have to be conan the barbarian to walk 30-50 miles a day with 80 pounds of baggage and your weaponry ....believe me I did and I looked rather like this :

    drafting men for army in america

    so long
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    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    could we please end this whole "woman are physically unable to be in combat" bullshit ? ..When Ive been in for service I had a female Lieutenant that could easily rip your arm of she was like literally 200 pounds of muscles ...its all part of training sure they probably wont lift as much as a man ...but lets face you dont have to look like this :
    i wrote
    "but remember that piloting is a combat position and there were lady pilots in ww2"

    "even though there are many examples of women throughout history who fought really good and were leaders"

    why do you leave those out when you reply to me

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    Not exactly sure what drafting means in this context but there is conscription in my country for example. I think 8 months is the norm though I've heard something about 11, after that they go into reserve. It has both good and bad sides.

    One bad obviously is that many men (boys) don't really want to do it yet have to. To them it just takes away a year while they could've enrolled into university or if they postpone it it might mean they have to unwillingly spend time away from family.

    On the other hand they do really man up there and *khm* they do look good once they're released. It's unlikely that they will ever be deployed to actual war situations, hasn't happened in a long time.

    The US however already has an extensive enough military as it is in my opinion that I just see no need for this practice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stragan View Post
    women in military =/= putting women in combat position
    allowing guns on campus =/= EVERYONE having guns.

    I'm so sick of this continually getting posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nofu View Post
    Not exactly sure what drafting means in this context but there is conscription in my country for example. I think 8 months is the norm though I've heard something about 5, after that they go into reserve. It has both good and bad sides.

    One bad obviously is that many men (boys) don't really want to do it yet have to. To them it just takes away a year while they could've enrolled into university or if they postpone it it might mean they have to unwillingly spend time away from family.

    On the other hand they do really man up there and *khm* they do look good once they're released. It's unlikely that they will ever be deployed to actual war situations, hasn't happened in a long time.

    The US however already has an extensive enough military as it is in my opinion that I just see no need for this practice.
    well theyre getting drafted to the middle east now....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demo View Post
    allowing guns on campus =/= EVERYONE having guns.

    I'm so sick of this continually getting posted.

    Just because Conceptart.org is free to sign up =/= mean every one will (or should) sign up and just become lounge whores.
    did you call me a prostitute

    ive been active here only for about the last two weeks
    for the rest of the years i've been here i was lurking

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    Personally I wouldn't mind drafting men for the Army. I'm not very good at it, but I'd give it my best shot. Plus it would give me something to post in my sketchbook.
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    Quote Originally Posted by s.ketch View Post
    Personally I wouldn't mind drafting men for the Army. I'm not very good at it, but I'd give it my best shot. Plus it would give me something to post in my sketchbook.
    Or it will ultimately end all posting ^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by stragan View Post
    well theyre getting drafted to the middle east now....
    they don't actually. They just go through training. The guys who go to middle east are military professionals. Being in the reserve essentially means if the country is under attack and normal forces are not enough they get deployed.

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