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    Sculpting out the forms is a great idea, i think it makes the world of difference being able to turn/touch real shapes instead of simply guessing from photos..Anyway, you've made so much progress since the beginning of this SB, keep up the insane hard work

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    whoa your latest stuff blew my mind! serious improvements here, find some time to learn how to draw good heads( very important)
    keep up the crazy work mate its inspiring to follow your story.

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    Great stuff man. Trying to understand the form of the rib cage has been quite hard for me. Haven't studied it as hard as you seem to have. Making a clay model seems like a great idea for understanding forms. Will probably have to do those myself as well.

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    Looking good, tidy life drawings. Looks like your not afraid to work hard. Keep it up.

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    well done! such a mastery of form is nice to see, great idea that rib cage that you sculpted..keep it up

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    mate you work so hard its inspiring!!! Thanks for sharing that great sculpture work. Really thats helpful. You are doing great, keep it up!!!thnx for encouraging btw

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    1:40 AM posting...

    Okay... heh... it seems my work is gravitating toward life drawing more and more. It's weird, but that's how this week ended up. A couple of Loomis studies, and a shytelode of life.

    This was a good week! Made a life drawing level-up.

    First, a couple of Loomis... old Uncle Loomis... sheets. It's interesting how much more I can absorb from Loomis now than when I first read his stuff years ago. It makes a ton more sense. Studies from "Successful Drawing"

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    Loomis will continue next week.

    Wednesday, life drawing just wasn't happenin' too well. And here's where the breakthru starts...

    You know how a lot of artists seem to be fond of telling other artists about needing to "loosen up" or just the idea of "loosening up"?

    Okay... let's step back and think about that one.



    Yeah... so... what are we loosening exactly? Our arms? Were they tight? Is it a muscle thing?? The more you think about it, the more the mind goes down strange roads

    So... I actually came upon the real meaning of "loosening up" this week.

    Wednesday was kind of a bad, miserable session... and it was because of a physical state. I was "tight". Tight means--too close to the drawing; too meticulous; too fussy; to concerned with detail. It's a tightness of the mind, which ends up manifesting itself in the muscles (the back, the neck, and yeah... the arms!)

    Here are a couple of warm ups from Wednesday; but the full Wednesday drawing didn't make it into my update.

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    The next day was Thursday; the day of the new short-pose session. I hoped to be able to follow my process, but work smart and do better than Wednesday. I did all right. In the end, I figured out a lot about gesture drawing and how to stay "loose", while still maintaining enough accuracy to make a good drawing.

    Here are the drawings from the session; nothing held back. I was actually pleased with even the lesser of these. All poses were about 3 minutes, except where noted.

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    I liked this one; but the scanner cut it off... (too big)
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    This one I liked. The proportions were quick, and I got to render for about 14 of the 15 minutes. This one was where everything sort of gelled
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    How I approach life drawing has become simpler, now that I understand this "loosening" process.

    1. Find the general proportions of the part of the subject you want to draw (a ratio) so you can fit it on the paper
    2. Draw a gesture... but keep your eyes moving very quickly to either side of the model... side to side, up and down... and keep the quick-moving pencil as accurate as you can. This is new for me. Also try and keep the lines very light.
    3. Do a slightly slower second pass, this time checking the proportions and re-inforcing lines that "look right". Choose one of those for your measurement.
    4. If something is off, use one of your "right" proportions as your relative measure, and measure in the usual way. Fix the proportions. So far, this is very quick... only a minute or so.
    5. Now, start looking for the big shapes... finding angles, citing horizontals/verticals, etc.

    This cuts out a HUGE area and timewaste of fussy measuring. I can go straight to large shapes after about a minute. It works great

    On Saturday I tested my theory. Sure enough, we had a winner.

    Strangely enough, we also had the same model again (Blythe) from the Thursday session. Maybe it was some kind of weird karmic message.

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    After about a minute and a half, I had all of Blythe blocked in and I was re-inforcing the large shapes. She decided to do a long standing pose, which was kind of rare, too. Kind of the "blue moon" of poses, and it was the day that I unlocked a "new level" in figure drawing.

    Okay ... so now I have to get away from these things (lol) and get back to some originals and fun stuff. Also going to do more sculpted Plastilina shapes... just got really busy this week with a workshop as well as full time work.

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    Jephyr X Jester is on the burner, but is about to pop off of there like Jiffy Pop! IT's on brother

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    Blacky Thanks Cristina You're right, I promised a surprise a while back. It has been shelved for a bit, but hopefully this week it will be ready for you

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    ThomasM Tom you know what the obsession is like. Kostas does too. Those shapes will drive you insane unless you draw the sh&t out of them

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    Blythe? Do you pronounce it as "blight"?

    It's an interesting modeling career to have, if you think of it. I might consider it myself ! BTW Chad, thanks for the guidelines to approaching life drawing, I think it's applicable in some other areas as well. I promise to apply it to life drawing I think of signing up for in the future

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    Woah! That was worth the wait!

    Ok...so yer Loomis pages are looking really good! I feel the same way about going back and reading him now. I just finished "an opening chat" and first chapter from "for all it's worth" and understood it more than ever!

    The 15 min and 3 min gesters looks great...as I said it's a weakness for me.



    The last one of Blythe has so much volume, light and life...great job! I think your assessment of loose and tight are right on...and your technique from thinking about it clearly worked for you! The balance between the two is something I always need to work on...I might have to give your method a try next time I'm in an open session.

    What kind of paper are you using on that one?

    Glad to hear the Jester is cooking! Mine too

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    I found if you have a longer pose, you can sketch in the shape, shade and then wipe out most of it with a tissue leaving a faint impression before going in for the kill the best. Even wiping out more than once, just seems to add to the form. But your life drawing has certainly improved.


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    Great figure drawing work

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    awesome man simply awesome, the figure drawings look good and the last rendered one is niceeeee...
    I gotta get myself into some figure life drawings, seems to help tons!
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    Hey thx for sharing your lessons learnt! taught me a thing or two I'm gonna try them when i get the chance! btw really nice definition of "loosening up" too! it helped me understand better.

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    Wow

    amazing work!!! Loving the figure studies! Thanks alot for the comment in my sketchbook!!!Im studing that loomis book right now lol

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    Thanks for the rib cage studies in the last page! They cleared some things for me.

    Also I like your longer poses, you grasp lighting and forms pretty well

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    Stunning work as usual!

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    Nice steps! And after a minute of measuring like that, you can be sure of the information you put on the page
    and go confident about it in the next steps. Very nice studies, keep updating !

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    thank you so much for the kind words in my SB! very poetic, i was really touched (no, really!)

    your stuff is really great, you have those flowing lines that i never really got the hang of. i really like all the bridgman and loomis studies too, so keep up the awesome work!

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    Way to go Sage, gestures with your new approach look great. I can see and feel the energy in them and you've got some lovely lines going on. Thanks for the tips I tried to remember them and have a go myself this week and ended up with one I liked, and better proportions. Can't wait to see what you do next.

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    wow yeah art level up! nice one with this last post. Your studies from loomis' successful drawing seem to have really helped your understanding of the torso. Maybe I should do some of those myself!

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    Greetings Mister P.S.! I see you have been casting your Sagely vision over my junk pile ^^ haha cheers for stopping by! I have been lurking on your SB but for some reason the wind seems to steal my words and run whistling between your pages anyhow wat can i say! You got pretty amazing studies going on in here and i find your SB very enjoyable! I found some good stuff that reminded me of things that i sometimes overlook...in the lack of practicing mostly these things are obvious but they are apparently so obvious that the my brain sometimes forgets to define the form maybe i shud start using sticklets and label everything It's the same when i started color theory the first time and you actually tell your brain that is yellow...it's fucking brilliant when you actually realise the color when you have overlooked it your whole life! but yeah dude i wud love to see some character designs from you! I'm not sure if that's your cup of tea but since you are doing a lot of figure drawing wud be awesome to see where you can take it with imaginary forms Just putting the idea out there. I will be watching so humour me!

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    Hey p_sage , you're doing great , i like the last figure studies , nothing to say , just keep working hard

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    Nice work here man! Figures are improving big time! Interesting comments on "loosening" up. As far as physically loosening up, I can't recommend physical exercise enough... cardio, weights, and stretching 3-5 days a week (at least one day of rest). There's lots of data that suggests that regular exercise helps with cognitive functioning, this includes motor functioning and spatial tasks. An interesting link: http://brainrules.net/exercise

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    Well another week gone by and it's still all about life drawing

    Okay... well, good. It's solidifying understanding after all. Good week, actually... though Wednesday seems to becoming a Black Hole of understanding

    Overall looking at this stuff, I would say I really need to work on my line quality... but the understanding is getting better all the time.

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    Black Hole Wednesday starts with me forgetting what I know (or seeming to) almost each week. Here's two warm ups of Anne, and then the main process shots for the full drawing (before I fell off the deep end )
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    After analyzing what happened there, and then what happened the next day with some Loomis, a key realization happened. It's on the Loomis pic for the week
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    Yap. There it is. "Never draw parts/lines/tones/etc in isolation".

    This week's big realization encompasses many of the things I've been skirting around for a while.. the "guard rail" technique I talked about, keeping the drawing you've already done in your "peripheral vision" while drawing the next line, etc.

    It's called "keeping the whole". The concept is: you can't draw any new line, any new patch of value... make any mark... at ALL... without feeling the connection to the whole drawing... to the mass.

    I know I've reiterated this to myself a dozen times in pieces, but the whole thing is key to drawing with proper proportion. Can't lose the whole.

    If I start to, I need to slow down and re-connect to the whole... get my eyes and hand coordinated again, and find the right shape. Erase if need be, but it would be better not to make the fatally wrong mark in the first place.

    The Wednesday drawing started out ok, but then descended into a pit of obscurity.

    Luckily, my new favorite day of the week (Thursday) and the short-pose session was around the corner.

    I'm still focusing on nailing proportions; line quality will come. About 3 to 3 1/2 minutes each... long enough for the average song on the session-runner's IPOD (as each song plays, the model changes pose).

    Cassie modeled for her very first time... we were very supportive and kind
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    Felt pretty good about the proportions in most of those (that was the goal)... I think once I get more comfortable with that, and the lines get a bit more confident, I can start working on getting to putting in some values in under 3 minutes. Looking forward to the challenge.

    Saturday was a snap; though our undraped model didn't show. A good-natured substitute took her place; no nudez tho.

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    Kerah Pretty close... only with that nasty English "th" sound at the end Hope your hiking trip goes well (meaning you draw during it)

    Jephyr Yeah it would be entirely too frustrating to make mistakes if I couldn't turn right around and figure out the "why" The paper is just a gray charcoal paper with some texture in it. Thanks man.

    Black Spot Cheers. Yeah, if I'm using vine charcoal for the lay-in, that's a good approach to use. Lately I've been just going really lightly with the charcoal pencil for the gesture and then going on a 2nd pass and getting the shapes.

    d-block Thank you.

    Danny_K The most important monster is the one you don't feed Thanks bud

    yongs Thanks bro... hope it helps you.

    Joe777k7 LOL! Loomis!

    e-nat Thank you; it's definitely understanding-in-progress.

    lohes You're too kind!

    BlackDelphin It's always a bunch of steps; sometimes baby steps, sometimes big marble steps Thanks Cristina!

    Iddi Very flattered to have your comments here; you're a tremendous artist already, and I'm excited to see your progress. Thank you!

    Marian Glad to hear it! You and ThomasM represent my UK improvement connection. Let's keep that going

    ThomasM Hey Tom thank you... your watercolors still leave me in awe.
    Gotta find some time to bust some of those out. Thanks man.

    m0uS3r Thank you; lines are a work in progress, very kind of you to say so.

    Ztak Hehe. Well, R a n d i s has a junkyard, so I consider your junkpile with the same high regard. Definitely feeling the pressure on the "create some characters" thing Thank you for promising to peek now and again to see them. Time is a bit tight right now, but I will do some before the middle of the week and they'll be here by next Sunday. There's a commitment for ya Thank you for the push!

    WaSsiM Thank you, guy! You keep working hard. You should try some ConceptArt.org teen challenges once in a while... keep you on your toes!

    Dark_Eyes Hey Colin, cheers for your visit. You're right about the exercise thing. I'm in good shape girth-wise (I'm thin) but some iron-pumping would do some good... your comments make much sense. Thanks for the link. My new place of work has a gym right in the ground floor... it would be stupid not to use it. Thanks again.


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    Okay... the vow for this week is to do some characters. And a jester

    I'll visit all your books soon! Thanks again to all.

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    Good dynamics. Try to do some detalized faces \ face features and cloth (shadowing). Also, you use a rather wide line for sketches, I would try a thinner tool. But, seeing the last two pictures I assume you get rid of spare line while rendering shapes.

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    Niice figure studies here! Awesome work!

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    Your gesture studies are very, very gorgeous (and very inspiring)

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    Hey mang! Well ya know sometimes it's three steps forward...two back...and vice versa.

    All your life drawings/gestures make me miss those classes. Kimberly looks great!

    Glad to hear we may yet see a jester from you. I was starting to wonder if I might be the only one working one.

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    life drawings are looking good i like the new approach your lines look nice and confident

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