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March 27th, 2012 #181
i absolutely adore your use of such saturated colours. that acid green is eyecandy.
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March 27th, 2012 #182
YES! Naked neon ladies! More of this please!
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March 27th, 2012 #183
love Your pencils
in need of help please comment and constructive CRITIQUEmy sketchbookYarosh on DASORRY FOR MY BAD ENGLISH
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Hi f1x, thanks for the kind words in my SB.
Regarding the 'america' picture you did. I hope you don't mind, my critique.
I did a paintover to help explain [Here].
Keep in mind this is usually the way I draw, but in no way is the 'correct' way. I notice a lot of your drawings/paintings you do a more general ambient lighting scheme as opposed to the chirascuro-esque style that I usually do. So, these suggestions are merely the 'style' that I prefer.
With regards to this image (and many images in your gallery) there is a distinct lack of edge variation and cast shadows. For example, in the america image (in your version), the edge sharpness between her hair and the chair behind is the same as the edge sharpness between her shoulder pad and the chair, which is also the same sharpness as the edge between her groin and the seat.
In general, hair should be drawn with soft edges, especially where it meets other shadowed areas. Also, because hair casts shadows it's almost always a good idea to soften it, at least a little bit.
You should also try to soften edges where shadow areas meet shadow areas. In my version, I pumped up the lighting quite a bit in order to add more cast shadows to your illustration. Some areas where I have added shadow meet shadow are:
1. Her hair and the chair behind. Notice, how the edge between her hair and the chair behind her is pretty much non existant. It's just a subtle value transition.
2. Her groin and the seat.
3. Her corset, and the chair behind. This edge is actually almost completely removed.
One other note regarding shadows. The eyes! The eyes are also almost always in shadow. Not only are they sunken inside the eye sockets, they are also shaded by the eyelids and the eyelashes. The eyelashes should be rendered in the same way as hair (with a soft edge). In addition, because everything in the eye socket is in shadow, it should be rendered quite softly. It also adds a nice air of mystery and seductiveness (dark eyes in shadow). I didn't change the shape of the eyes in my paintover at all, but they look A LOT different, simply because I softened them and put them into shadow.
Tip: Cast shadows are GREAT for showing form. I added a cast shadow from the hamburger staff onto her legs. I think in general some more focus on shadows would be benificial in your work.
And finally with regards to composition and value; In your version, the background is currently competing with the character in terms of value. It contains the same value hierarchy as your figure. It has dark darks in the shadow, and bright brights in the light. Your figure also contains this strong value contrast (her hair vs her face). This works great on the figure! You want that strong contrast on her face, because we want the viewer to look at the face. But, it doesn't work great on the background. We don't want people looking at the drapery. Not only is the drapery not important, but it's not as fleshed out as the figure anyway! We don't want people to focus on the background. In my version I darkened and smoothed it all out. The background now is all a dark value with very low contrast and doesn't compete for attention. High contrast is left for the focus (her face and chest) and gradates outward from there.
For more information on edges, do take a look at J.S. Sargent's work. I really believe he is the best at it. This one image in particular (notice their hair on each of the figures). But, do take a look at other images in his gallery and see how he handles his edges (especially hair).
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March 27th, 2012 #185
Wow what a lovely sketchbook!
Unfortunately I cannot offer any advice like FinalKnight above did.
I think its is pretty clear that you are MUCH more comfortable with pencils than with digital media- which is awesome
Your shading technique is very crass and it makes your sketches so lively!
I especially like the game of thrones ones- I don't know the movie/book but it looks very neat and I wouldn't have figured that it's a sketch from screen if you hadn't said so.
Keep it up!
And if I were you I'd probably stick to traditional media.. watercolor, acrylics- I think that'd be great.
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March 28th, 2012 #187
Cameli - I will!!
Jessibelle - Guess thats a virtue and a curse, I lay down color tones easily and in a pretty strong way, but when I have to work further then its when I have problems.. =D but anyway I love sketchiness.. so I wont be too sad
Rotor - Tits forever bro, tits forever..
nodeerskulls - I freaking love acid colors, specially alien green,which is something hard to get in traditional media, unless you use spray cans, you can actually get this colors (in real life) painting "graffitti"
GEB - Ok sir, lets see what more I can do!!
yarosh - Thanks a lot!!
FinalKnight - First of all thanks for taking the time to comment and do the paint-over, its very very helpful,
actually yes, I usually try to go for a more dramatic lightning, or ambiental as you said, trying to match the mood of the image with that, and I think I acomplish it with the color but not with the rendering/shadows, and yes one of my weakest points are edges and shadows
Sargent is great, and its spot on to learn about edges and blending (personally me being from Barcelona I prefer Ramon Casas, which is from a similar artistic period)
I might do some studies it will certainly help me understand all of this concepts
anyway I've worked further on the amerika image following your advice and the paintover (but I've done it a bit more directional in terms of light)
It definitely works much better, has more depth and more athmosphere, and I still can work much more on it!!
actually I'm reworking a couple of old pieces which I saw aswell that were a bit lacking on shadows
LordLouis - no problem, thanks!! well the thing is I've been working the last 4 years as graphic designer and before that I was very focused on drawing for comicbooks (which I abandoned frustrated of the economical imposibilities) so I've got the chance to keep working on colors and pencils but I'm very newbie in terms of rendering and shadowing, if you see my traditional stuff is also a bit flat, (just that digital is more demanding when you try to do "realism") I will try improve everything anyway, I do love painting with acrylics or watercolors from time to time!!
kevin_ - Thanks kevin, glad that you like
Now a couple more stuffs:
some crazy shit:
and I colored this:
I was a bit of experimenting with color again, trying to block out, work with contrast of primary-oposed and then some middle values
the result is... weird
March 28th, 2012 #188
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March 28th, 2012 #190
This is the kind of work that I like to watch, and it's one of my goals, not only do "nice drawings" but compositions, really awesome compositions here, that the image want to say something and not only the good lines, really inspiring for me!
March 29th, 2012 #191
Symphony of Destruction and Innocence are awesome! Love the concept in the former and the linework / general look and feel of it! Something I'd love to have a print of on my wall. I like your painting style, your use of brush strokes and colouring is very appealing and fresh.
Keep it up and please post more stuff!
April 1st, 2012 #192
I really like how in your linework you have detailed lines everywhere in the picture, but still somehow you manage to keep the focus on the subject. I must try that kind of line infested approach too
April 2nd, 2012 #193
April 3rd, 2012 #194
Sorry guys I posted before but then I was not to satisfied so I deleted,
here are the repplies:
*Shadow Stalker* - It is.. I dont know why is there... I was probably hungry or something...
*DaleC* - Lana looks awesome in that pic (even with that botox lip of hers..) the pic is awesome for hair study aswell, sacred image tho was inspired/referenced using a model photo, cant remember the name atm
*Egg0* - Well composition has always been an interest to me, I mean you could paint with a perfect technique (I wish I could !) but if the composition (and lightning-color) is weak the image will always be weak
*danomatic* - Thanks a lot, I was very satisfied when I did that symphony of destruction piece, but now I look at it and think about working further on it with the knowledge I have now... maybe some day
*Juho* - You dont know how much I hate my multi-lines, should see one of my sketches gone wrong, looks like somekind of squizofrenic drawing..
*pgf95* - hell yeah!!
Now some stuff:
April 4th, 2012 #195
April 4th, 2012 #196
Silly stuff is awesome!
I especially like the first sketch in your new post.
The colored pencil stuff you included looks awesome and pushes the sketch great in my opinion.
More environmental stuff or animals? Just try to move out of your comfort zone a little bit more.
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April 5th, 2012 #197
Awesome updates F1x. Love your exploration in subject matter as always. The only real advice I could give you to push your more finished work is to try and clarify your materials better. In the amerika piece for example the hands start to read as metal, but the leggings, corset and staff are all handled pretty much the same. I can assume what they are made out, of but it's more powerful when I can tell the difference between the brass, leather, silk, and steel.
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April 8th, 2012 #198
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April 11th, 2012 #200
Silwynar - Yes I love colored pencils, its been a while since I used them last time,...
about comfort zone, I appreciate your advice even tho I think I'm doing quite a lot of different stuff
Ninjac - You are right about the materials, by any chance do you have some tutorials or sources to learn about this subject? of course I will use photos and such and do studies but some theory aswell would be nice
rumpenstiltzkin - Thanks!!
jedininjaman - Indeed, thats the great thing about this forums, the advices
Thanks a lot, at the moment I feel I have a lot to discover not feeling stuck at all, also I'm working a lot in digital paintings which if definitely something I'm not "comfortable" with
now some stuff for the fun of it:
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April 23rd, 2012 #201
Been busy lately moved to a new flat, but I'm coming slowly back on track
here are some doodles
This is something I'm remaking, you might recognize a previous piece, its very much at the start but definitely liking the new direction, gotta fix the arm and the neck among other stuff
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WOW ..... cool work. You have one trippy awesome mind.
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April 24th, 2012 #203
you have such a dope style.. i can look back on my own life and piece together all the subtle influences that make up your style..
and its all great.
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April 25th, 2012 #205
duke_of_lurkington - Thats such a compliment to me
battlebattle - For sure, I've grown on Ottomo, Moebius, Manara, Samura, etc =D, if some traces of that are left, I'll sleep happy today
Jyou - You refer to the barbarian one or the sci-fi? the sci-fi one I plan to remodel it cause I like the design but not the execution, barbarian was pretty much diablo3 inspired
By the way I must take the chance to thank everybody who has written comments, critiques, kind words, everybody, its been very helpful and motivating so far, I'm learning tons
Lately I've been not so receptive but still I believe every critique is right, and i'll make sure to learn from it
For now, some more stuff!:
Under the sea
I'm progressing with remodeling this piece, I just couldnt stand it to be so perfectly fantasy, I must make it more weird, but atm everything is pretty much roughly sketched but you can see the direction, any critics will be very welcome
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May 22nd, 2012 #209
Cool updates F1x. I like the manneristic direction you are taking your proportions. That under the see doughnut / diver sketch is awesome in so many ways. I would make a killer finished illustration. The latest fantasy painting is cool, my only crit is the perspective is clashing. Our eye line is about at her waist but we are super low looking up at the castle, making it feel like the figure and the background are not part of the same space. I think lifting the horizon line up higher might be the easiest way to fix it, but its up to you. As far the texture studies go. Take a look at my page here: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...149542&page=14
You can see several posts where I did texture spheres. Some of actual textures and others of how light can react or pass through a surface. These studies aren't perfect but they can give you an idea of where to start. You can search "steel sphere, or plastic sphere" and just copy it verbatim. Figuring out how matte, glossy, or reflective different textures feel and how the light hits it from one source will start to help you on your way.
May 27th, 2012 #210
Hey there f1x, I've watched you on dA for while. You have a distinctive style and strong draughtsmanship. There are a few of your pieces, namely the one with the diver and the donut, as well as the elf girl fighting the undead, that would make for powerful illustrations if fully completed. There's a pop-surrealist element to your work and that along with your colouring methods make for your unique style. Are you familiar with the work of Jame Jean?
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