Well I have done many many changes and I think it's better. Let me comment on some of the crit I received:
"Clouds don't read at all...I would definitely find some reference for them - sunset above cloud layer things."
I worked on these the most from the same reference I used before. I hope they are better
"You have a very warm light source but all highlights and light planes are just lit white/light."
Haha, I fooled you! If you actually look all of the highlights are cream (except the whitest of lights on the white fabric which are less saturated). But if they don't look that way then perhaps I need to push them more. As it is, I did lessen the orange in the background to cast a more "white" light.
"I like the repetition of form from her hair, skirt and dragon tail - but I think the dragon tail has too much atmospheric perspective - it looks detached and almost like it would be from another dragon."
I agree. I tried to darken it but making it as dark as the front of the dragon was not successful. I tried to strike a balance.
"Her hair is far too defined, making it look like tentacles. Should be much softer and more diffuse."
I have to flat out disagree with you here but thanks for the crit. Hair should be treated like any other shape- chiseled out with planes. It's a common mistake I see with many artists today, rendering each strand or letting the hair flow unnaturally instead of in big chunks as it does in real life. If we were zoomed in, you would see more hints of strands in the highlight area and dark strands silhouetted against the background but I felt the distance warranted some simplification.
"Her head seems a tad large and it seems like we should see her right hip/thigh just a bit. Her left thigh is a bit ginormous too."
I don't see it but I trust you. I shrunk her head and chiseled in her thigh. I did have the thigh a lot skinnier after I read this crit, but it looked wrong. She has bulk as seen in the definition of her arms and I tried to keep a balance between the two. Not to mention, thighs tend to flatten out when sitting making them appear thicker. But if it needs more, let me know. There is a hint of her other thigh from the bottom at her crotch. The angle makes me think the rest is hidden behind her arms, but maybe there needs to be a sliver shown?
"There are a few near-tangents (better than full on tangents!). The left pinnacle and castle are both the same distance from teh wing - the right pinnacle basically combines with the dragon wing - in part because of placement but also value and color/hue."
I did try and lower the castle and get rid of the sharp tower to address the tangents, thanks.
"Dragon's wings are not in sync - not that they always have to be but in this case I would expect the same angles/bowing. Wings could use more thought out structure/musculature as well."
I totally agree with you here. I did think about it before hand, but I never addressed it. I hope it looks better now.
"Get both of Jim Gurney's books if you don't have them already - they'll help you take your work to the next level."
I looked online and couldn't find them for sale. Do you have a link?
"Anyway, just my two cents - I know it is a lot but you can handle it."
Thanks a lot for taking the time out of your day to help me improve. It is greatly appreciated. I've only been doing this for a year and a half so the "you can handle it" part made me feel all "yessss...." (just glad I don't look as much of a noob as I actually am).
thanks for the clarification. I did take some blue out of the clouds, thanks for that and thanks for the image. However I prefer the way the dragon's horns point straight to the girl- it was a conscious effort to pull the eye to the focal point of the image. I do not see any tangent or reason to alter it. I do like the way you have the wings, but after looking off of prince911's paintover and changing my composition accordingly the angle of the wings would have sent the eye right off of the page (it would have been directly in the upper right corner), so I chose to keep the lower angle. I do like your angle though. It totally works in that pic and if I hadn't already changed it after seeing hit crit I would have done it this way.
"I like Prince's idea for the dragon head. And the clouds are an improvement, but I don't like the rest of his paintover. The tail especially is a confusing tangent. The contrast is a bit much. Removing ur lovely white blowing fabric is a step backwards. I dont mean to be hard on Prince however, because the head is great. I agree her head could shrink just slightly. I didnt notice any tangents that bothered me. "
Thank you very much. I did try to do a new dragon head, but I felt the angle of his paintover wasn't quite right, especially the jaw. I did try and set the eyes more apart and try to follow the structure of the eye socket better because that is what I liked most about his dragon head paintover. I know it could still be better, but gosh darn it, making up dragon heads is hard. I spent a long time altering the proportions of it, even if it does look subtle.
I did shrink the head. Thanks for the comment about the tangents, lol, I thought everyone was seeing them except me.
"...I'd like to see a bit more definition in the join area between the wing and shoulder joint thats visible on the right. At the moment they look kind of mashed together and I cant figure out why. Maybe the wing is set too low down? What about lifting it slightly (and the other one to match) and adding a bit more muscle bulge to where the wing joins the body under the harness strap?
Also second what Jeff said about the wings needing more thought in their structure. I'm thinking they need an extra bend between the shoulder joint and the thumb horn and maybe extend them out so they look bigger and longer because at the moment, they don't look like they could carry the weight of the dragon's body."
Thanks so much for the crit and I totally agree with everything you said. I lifted the wings and added more structure at the shoulder. I tried to add another bend in the wing but it just wasn't working. I will definitely remember to do this the next time I draw a dragon though. And about the wings looking too small, I agree. I stretched them out but then I felt you didn't see enough of them, they looked far too cropped off. The only way to make it work would have been to open the landscape and that would have thrown everything off *sigh* but yes, you are right.
"the sky is showing so much open space that my eye wants to leave the painting once it gets their. ...perhaps think about what you can do with the distant 3 dragons and moon to cut of all that open space and lead the eye back to the subject. the darker sky does help some"
Thanks, and I totally agree. I added more dynamic clouds in the sky and added more dragons to lead your eye around. I think this helped a lot.
"and the mountain on the right side has less atmosphere between it and me than the dragon's tail which is closer to me...so it doesn't really make sense."
Right again, thanks again. I thought about this when I did it, but I left it in anyway. I darkened it though. I know it's not as dark as the rest of the dragon, and it probably should be, it just looked crappy darker. All of the sudden the structure looked off and it was a mess. If it's really distracting I can try and address it again. Thanks for your crit.