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    ...Western society would never allow woman to go topless. Well, in some countries its okay. In my opinion, a bare chest isn't really a problem for men because it doesn't serve any reproductive purpose. With women, breasts are symbols of womanhood. Somehow its no issue if an exposed breast is revealed, but the moment a nipple shows up, feathers get ruffled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arshes Nei View Post
    I think someone forgot about the disturbing turn when we talked about how often women are often harassed or sexually assaulted on public transit.

    Not all men turn into slobbering morons when they see boobs, but given that the women on public transit are FULLY clothed, and yet we still have morons that grope, humiliate, and assault us - do you really think we want to add toplessness to that pot?

    Yeah that's all we need, another "She was asking for it" to some idiot's defense.
    well its not gonna be like pornstar tits

    and i dont even see MEN being topless at public transits most of the time so i dont see how the "topless women at public transit" thing is relevant. i think i mentioned women being topless at times and settings WHERE MEN WOULD BE TOPLESS, not more or less

    and if it was socially common for women to be topless in public at times, then i dont think people would be using the "she was topless so she was asking for it" argument


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    Somehow its no issue if an exposed breast is revealed, but the moment a nipple shows up, feathers get ruffled.
    yea thats what i think too

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    Edit: Ahahaha... Wow I missed the video on the first page without even thinking about it. Someone beat me to it. Heard the standup act so many times just skimmed over the video when I saw it without thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stragan View Post
    well its not gonna be like pornstar tits

    and i dont even see MEN being topless at public transits most of the time so i dont see how the "topless women at public transit" thing is relevant. i think i mentioned women being topless at times and settings WHERE MEN WOULD BE TOPLESS, not more or less

    and if it was socially common for women to be topless in public at times, then i dont think people would be using the "she was topless so she was asking for it" argument
    You don't have a transit line to the beach, do you?

    Time and place doesn't matter as I've said when we were talking about public transit, women have feared because men were socially inappropriate. So much so that other countries have the trains sexed. Meaning that there are trains with women and children only.

    So you're going to tell me "ok man is topless here" that suddenly all the guys will be pristine examples chivalrous men when a woman goes topless.

    I don't know what planet you're from.

    Fix that problem first, then maybe, just maybe someday you'll see all our tits

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilaekae View Post
    And, for your sake, Don't ever go to Scotland...
    I second this. Partially because the women round here are big, hairy, and won't waste words when a punch will do, and partially because Scotland is a dump overall.

    Mind you though, there's an art college down the road from my flat, and damn the girls there are awesome. Great sense of humour, great laughs, and so nice to talk to. On the topic of large and lucious lady lumps, I'm not really into super huge body parts, in fact I find myself liking more petite girls. I'm not meaning midgets or girls that look really young, I mean the kind of girl who is more "cute" than "hot". Not making sense? Very well, example time.

    What I think when I hear about beautiful, hot, sexy, babes, etc;



    Note the over confident stance, the pout, the flouncing around to bring in guys. Now, I talk to whoever happens to be next to me, and sometimes that's one of these types of girls. In my experience, they are unintelligent, self-obsessed, and will ridicule anyone they deem beneath them. Now for the cute girl.



    Ellen Page, someone I see as a "cute" girl. Girls like this I know tend to have a sense of humour, usually have interests, opinions, a personality. Body, not important, because you just can't take your eyes off their smile and their eyes. Also, she's got a pipe, that's classy.

    Just my personal feelings on the bigtitsareawesome debate. As for going topless or whatever, it's up to you. If you want to do something, do it, there is nothing, absolutely nothing stopping you.


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    Nothing stopping you except in the U.S. the laws against indecent exposure XD

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    So, I tested this out today... I wore a white burned out tank top. no bra. just to see if getting as close to topless as legally possible would affect interaction with society in general (i loved psycology) i could have been wearing nothing basically, you could see nips.

    anyways, yes the creep factor went WAY up. normally no one talks to me. i got waves, winks, stares and guys went out of their way to talk to me, on the flip side i had a few women casually tell me they could see right through my shirt, i said i know, then i either got a disgusted look or a you go girl.

    it was hot today anyways

    so in my opinion, at least in my general area, even with the legalizing of topless on beaches ect... society is not ready for the bare breast.

    Also, as a side note... i see the discussion about male sex drive and all that crap. i call bullshit. Women think about it just as much as men. Yes chances are if your in my general vicinity, Im checking out your cock size. maybe its just me? i also look at hands. and ill say i think about sex as much if not way more than my significant other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkmoon View Post
    anyways, yes the creep factor went WAY up. normally no one talks to me. i got waves, winks, stares and guys went out of their way to talk to me, on the flip side i had a few women casually tell me they could see right through my shirt, i said i know, then i either got a disgusted look or a you go girl.


    so in my opinion, at least in my general area, even with the legalizing of topless on beaches ect... society is not ready for the bare breast.

    Also, as a side note... i see the discussion about male sex drive and all that crap. i call bullshit. Women think about it just as much as men. Yes chances are if your in my general vicinity, Im checking out your cock size. maybe its just me? i also look at hands. and ill say i think about sex as much if not way more than my significant other.
    yes i know that society is definitely not ready hahaha. just like how some middle east regions are not ready to have burka-free or pants-wearing girls in public.
    but what i mean is, there's no logical reason why women have to cover up except that the social norms make it so and anyone who deviates from that norm is treated rather badly. i am sure not wearing hijab is some arab regions is "indecent exposure" over there and get guys staring at you. but we all know that covering your hair isn't "fundamentally necessary to keep men from going insane". it's just a social thing


    i cant talk for women whether or not they have high sex drives or not, but i don't think "men have high sex drive" can excuse the lack of self control on the male's part. if that's the case, the perverts should be the ones getting fined for indecent behavior. if ladies are the ones who have to get back off and get out of their way, dress a certain way, look a certain way, etc. then the perverts won't have an incentive to change their behavior because they can continue harassing norm-deviating women scott-free. you can't change a guy's biology and make him less horny, but you can certainly change the social norms and his actions. well anyway, i am speaking from my own experiences in my *hicktown* so perhaps women aren't as badly pressured in other areas.

    im trying to be understanding dont shoot me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arshes Nei View Post
    So you're going to tell me "ok man is topless here" that suddenly all the guys will be pristine examples chivalrous men when a woman goes topless.
    were people EVER pristine and well mannered? dont put words in my mouth. but anyway i am sure it's better for a girl to undress if she wants and get 10% of the guys to annoy her than lack freedom to undress and still get 10% of the guys annoy her. you're thinking with the social bias in mind and my question wasn't "should ladies go out in public undressed today" i am asking if there is some fundamental reason for women not to do so. like, some fundie arabs think women hav to cover hair to prevent "hair rays" from making people crazy. and we know thats not true. and an example of a "fundamental reason" for women to cover their chest is if there were "boob rays" coming out of women's breasts that cause men to act crazy. but we also know that's not true. to me it seems like covering the chest is no different than covering hair in arabia. it's just a social thing. but good thing i still hear good argument from the other side

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkmoon View Post
    Also, as a side note... i see the discussion about male sex drive and all that crap. i call bullshit. Women think about it just as much as men. Yes chances are if your in my general vicinity, Im checking out your cock size. maybe its just me? i also look at hands. and ill say i think about sex as much if not way more than my significant other.
    Well then thats either a matter of personal drive opposed to an average like I said it varies from individual haha. Not like everyone has the same urges lol.

    Or its just the way the two genders react to talking about it in a more public setting. There are the girls out there who openly admit whatever they do "Yeah I was checking out his *bleep*" or just having urges but its a lot less often then those who hide it or act innocent/like they don't do anything in that nature lol. (A part of me almost wants to think its about a moral high ground type thing)


    Of course there's also the factors of the difference in talking about it. People hear Guy sleeps with several girls: high five, girl sleeps with several guys: then she's a s.l.u.t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkmoon View Post
    Also, as a side note... i see the discussion about male sex drive and all that crap. i call bullshit. Women think about it just as much as men. Yes chances are if your in my general vicinity, Im checking out your cock size. maybe its just me? i also look at hands. and ill say i think about sex as much if not way more than my significant other.
    There's this thing called subtlety....

    After all it's not like ton of news reports of men having to be put on "male only subways" because too many females were groping men's asses and crotches

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    Not getting in the main discussion but I just wanted to comment about the religious stuff. I was raised Muslim and although am not religious can attest that the actual religion has the utmost respect for women in terms of rights and freedoms. The covering part might be oppressive and all in some people view but their's some logic to it although that bit about masturbating to hair is bs and a terrible source from the OP. Point being, a lot of middle eastern countries that claim to follow Islamic law are full of shit and make up whatever they want while keeping their people uneducated. end rant....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Droid View Post

    What I think when I hear about hot, sexy, babes, etc;



    Note the over confident stance, the pout, the flouncing around to bring in guys. Now, I talk to whoever happens to be next to me, and sometimes that's one of these types of girls. In my experience, they are unintelligent, self-obsessed, and will ridicule anyone they deem beneath them. Now for the cute girl.



    Ellen Page, someone I see as a "cute" girl. Girls like this I know tend to have a sense of humour, usually have interests, opinions, a personality. Body, not important, because you just can't take your eyes off their smile and their eyes. Also, she's got a pipe, that's classy.

    Just my personal feelings on the bigtitsareawesome debate. As for going topless or whatever, it's up to you. If you want to do something, do it, there is nothing, absolutely nothing stopping you.
    I absolutely one hundred percent agree with you, Droid. I actually find myself put off by girls or women who try to over emphasize their sexual availability or attractiveness. I dislike girls who go to clubs to pick up men as though it was a collector's hobby (And there are a few of them who study the same course as I who exhibit these attributes.)

    I personally prefer the same as you.. petite, nice, a girl who is sweet and just themselves. I'm not a strong or willful person, and I was once in a relationship with a girl who made it her business for me to know that she was. Not very pleasant.



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    Hot tall girls = stupid, unintelligent, self-obses
    Petite cute girls = clever, loving, interesting

    REALLY???

    Hot tall guys = stupid, unintelligent, self-obses?
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    If this WAS then this thread would have way more "visuals" by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkmoon View Post
    Also, as a side note... i see the discussion about male sex drive and all that crap. i call bullshit. Women think about it just as much as men. Yes chances are if your in my general vicinity, Im checking out your cock size. maybe its just me? i also look at hands. and ill say i think about sex as much if not way more than my significant other.
    This. Also, many men would be surprised by how many women like to look at porn. I call bullshit on that "men are much more visual" stuff - just because we don't get visible boners when we see something exciting doesn't mean we're not interested. A picture can be just as big a turn-on as audio or something. (I read somewhere that women are more attracted to audio. Well, I do have a bit of a thing for certain types of voices, but I still don't think you can divide it that easily.)

    As for the topless debate, I wouldn't. It's bad enough that I constantly get sunburnt on my arms, face and decolleté already, now I should add the rest of my boobies and my belly? Yeah, um, no, thanks. Also, topless is not fun from C cups up. Sports without a decent, supportive sports bra is torture, trust me.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Arshes Nei View Post
    There's this thing called subtlety....

    After all it's not like ton of news reports of men having to be put on "male only subways" because too many females were groping men's asses and crotches

    its only been a few decades since women had more freedom, like voting. thousands years of having to repress their sexuality becomes social norms that still keep women from acting out. but men on the other side were able to do whatever they want and still not have to take the consequences. i am sure that has alot to do on why women behave and men don't. because men can get away with it. in the past, if women tried the same thing she woulda faced a huge shitstorm of disapproval and possible rape.
    not to mention that japan (where i think the sex-specific trains are) are way more sexist than the US, and even housewives get blamed a whole lot more if their men cheats. since women are getting the bad end of the stick, men act however they want BECAUSE THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT.

    so if the current behavior of today's people explain biology, think about how there are more men in the government and a whole lot more male inventors that are famous. does that mean men are better leaders and more intelligent? lol really, come on..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kjesta View Post
    This. Also, many men would be surprised by how many women like to look at porn. I call bullshit on that "men are much more visual" stuff - just because we don't get visible boners when we see something exciting doesn't mean we're not interested. A picture can be just as big a turn-on as audio or something. (I read somewhere that women are more attracted to audio. Well, I do have a bit of a thing for certain types of voices, but I still don't think you can divide it that easily.)

    As for the topless debate, I wouldn't. It's bad enough that I constantly get sunburnt on my arms, face and decolleté already, now I should add the rest of my boobies and my belly? Yeah, um, no, thanks. Also, topless is not fun from C cups up. Sports without a decent, supportive sports bra is torture, trust me.
    i said women should be topless WHEN THEY SEE FIT. not "they should be topless when they dont want to and while they're getting sunburn"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sulphur View Post
    If women weren't visual, explain to me why there is so much Slash/Yaoi filth on DA?

    Women and men are more simalar than people like to think. Just read Cosmopolitan magazine one day if you don't believe me.
    shittily drawn yaoi

    and speaking of all the "differences" that are claimed on science magazines, those magazines arent really written by scientists. they're written by people who are SUPPOSED to make the articles catchy enough to get read. so there's a lot of exaggerations. for example, girls are slightly better at reading, boys are slightly better at building stuff ~*in general*~. what's next? the two genders are suddenly DIFFERENT SPECIES ALTOGETHER.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stragan View Post
    shittily drawn yaoi
    Show me any amount of shittily drawn yaoi and I'll show you an equal amount of shittily drawn hentai. (A good percentage of which is also drawn by women, sometimes under male pseudonyms.) Let's face it: most porn is absolutely unpleasing aesthetically, there's no plot and, well, yeah. Most people just don't care as long as cocks/pussies are in sight and in action. Do you really think most yaoi gets clicks because it's so well-drawn? Same principle applies.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkmoon View Post
    ...Women think about it just as much as men...
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    It's a non-issue. In my city women can go topless in public just like men. Not a lot of them do, except for the rare lady who decides to go parading down one of the busiest downtown streets to see how many traffic accidents they can cause. It's perfectly legal though.

    Boobs are just infant feeding factories, lactation manufacturing. My personal decision to not go topless in public is mostly due to sunburn. Do NOT sunburn the sweater kittens. OW OW OW! I wonder if SPF 50 is built into all the super heroine costumes, right over the cleavage.

    Edit: Oh and enjoy your nice sweet petite girls, but cut them some slack when you both start to let yourselves go after a few years of bliss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertineM View Post
    ...Boobs are just infant feeding factories, lactation manufacturing...
    I'm a man, and so I can never really know from a personal perspective, but I've been told, by close companions of that certain gender which do have boobs equipped with nipples, that they are somewhat more than mere milk spigots. Based on the attention to them that has been encouraged over the years, and the attendant response, I tend to agree with this assessment. This in my view, makes breasts erogenous zones. Thus they become subject to all the taboos and social strictures that apply to more obvious sexual appendages, such as genitalia. I am not arguing for or against public nudity at any level - just trying to understand social attitudes.

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    I'm a man, and so I can never really know from a personal perspective, but I've been told, by close companions of that certain gender which do have boobs equipped with nipples, that they are somewhat more than mere milk spigots. Based on the attention to them that has been encouraged over the years, and the attendant response, I tend to agree with this assessment. This in my view, makes breasts erogenous zones. Thus they become subject to all the taboos and social strictures that apply to more obvious sexual appendages, such as genitalia.
    I believe the term you're looking for is chesticles. I hate to be all technical like that. I just think we all should use proper terminology when discussing anatomy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkmoon View Post
    Also, as a side note... i see the discussion about male sex drive and all that crap. i call bullshit. Women think about it just as much as men. Yes chances are if your in my general vicinity, Im checking out your cock size. maybe its just me? i also look at hands. and ill say i think about sex as much if not way more than my significant other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by s.ketch View Post
    I believe the term you're looking for is chesticles. I hate to be all technical like that. I just think we all should use proper terminology when discussing anatomy.
    Ah yes, "chesticles"! Thank you. Precision in speech is so important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkmoon View Post
    So, I tested this out today... I wore a white burned out tank top. no bra. just to see if getting as close to topless as legally possible would affect interaction with society in general (i loved psycology) i could have been wearing nothing basically, you could see nips.
    This sounds like a letter to playboy or something, but.. NO! This was done in the name of science!




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    Where are all these women that are open about their sexuality (not in an over the top publicly lewd way, just in the not always acting innocent sense. "No I don't do that thats gross whats wrong with you"), watch porn, same sex drive, window shoppers?!

    I claim shenanigans I say! SHENANIGANS!

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    ^

    We're out there but you're going to have to get to know us first before we start being super open about our sexual interests. XD Goes back to the whole safety and comfort level thing.

    I would be insanely creeped out if some guy I didn't know came up to and started talking about his porn interests. But if I had dated a guy for a couple months and the discussion came out, I'd probably feel fine sharing my stuff. (and if he dumped me, then that's life I guess)

    There is a serious stigma against porn, especially by women against women. I can't tell you how many times I've heard other women describe porn as sick and disgusting and yeah, some of it is. But some is insanely hot. People were ragging on porn at work and I mentioned that porn isn't a really a big deal to me and one lady looked at me as though I was a complete freak and the conversation died. So unsurprisingly I'm not exactly going to try to talk about porn again at work.

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