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    Your opinon on Contemporary Fine Art

    So, what are you views on it?

    To clarify, what I mean by Contemporary Fine Art is the artwork that is being created and exhibited in galleries and shows today. So this includes subjects like conceptual art, performance art, installation art, yes, but it also includes contemporary paintings and sculpture, as well.

    A number of friends I went to art school with view the majority of Contemporary Fine Art as worthless bile and hate it with a murderous passion. They aspire to be concept artists, are in love with the technical side of art and are striving to improve their art by taking classes. That is wonderful.

    I also to also abhor Contemporary Fine Art. But somewhere along the way, while looking at pieces that I assumed I would hate, somewhere along that time I came across pieces that I actually like. Pieces that had intriguing concepts, pieces that made me think and reflect. I was quite honestly a little horrified. How could I like any contemporary art?

    That made me realize how close-minded I was being. I was holding contemporary artwork by the same standards I had held to concept/commercial art - technique, execution, naturalism. It made me realize that not all artwork needs to be judged by the same criteria - not all artwork needs to have a perfectly drawn hand, a perfectly drawn nose. If you want to be a concept artist, yes, but if that isn't your career path - if you want to be a fine artist, chances are it isn't the perfect hand you're searching for, but a perfect painting that goes beyond focusing on technique. By that I mean something that speaks to the viewer, that says something to them more than that he just has a well-drawn hand.

    The summary of this is, contemporary fine art, when held to the criteria of commercial art, looks like garbage. But it works the other way around, too - commercial art, when held to the criteria of contemporary fine art, looks shallow and soulless.

    What I'm driving at is that there are many types of artwork in the world, and they all have the right to exist. They each have different criteria, and you may not like one kind of art, but it still has the right to exist, and one shouldn't be angry at that art field for existing.

    So now (someone who now finds themselves in the odd position of enjoying both commercial and contemporary fine art while working within the fine art industry), I find myself just staying silent if someone starts ranting and raving over how much they hate contemporary fine art, how it ruins the image of the artist, how it makes it seem like present-day artists can't draw. Because I used to be like that. And I knew back then, nothing anyone could say could change my mind, because I felt so strongly about it.

    And now I am curious what your views on contemporary fine art are.

    PS: Apologies if this is in the wrong forum. It's an art related question but at the same time I wanted it to be more of a casual lounge-question also about long-held mentalities than just an in-depth art discussion.
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    I like things that look pretty, or make me go "woooooahhh", or both.
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    I don't think about Fine art past the Golden age of illustration which I consider Fine art.
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    I started out with the same views as you.

    Now, completely changed after a year of schooling and studying fine art and its roots...

    I attended talks by contemporary fine artists, and some taught my classes. attended artist run centers and galleries and my eys have opened up to some powerful stuff.

    Some of my favorites are Stephan Thompson, Shary Boyle, Eepmon... among others.

    It really helped to study the roots of different genres such as surealism and dada.

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    Yeah...that's a tough one, always has been and always will be I expect (if you consider the same passionate arguments probably occurred over very minor shifts and developments between past art styles and movements). I completely understand where you're coming from - I had the same views and same realizations. I still don't care for the vast majority of "contemporary fine art" (by that term I assume you mean non-representaitonal art, expressionism, abstraction, etc.), and believe "performance art" is theater and bears no relation to visual art. Just to clarify, because contemporary fine art could just as well be very traditional as in the annual [URL=http://www.nationalcowboymuseum.org/events/pdw/onlinecatalog/Prix de West[/URL] show.

    Anyway, not to ramble but as far as advice when the conversation heads that way, just share your experience that you find some of it powerful, moving, interesting, etc. - whatever. Know who the artists are and maybe try to articulate what in particular you find interesting in their work...which is sometimes rather difficult. I like Andy Goldsworthy a great deal for example...why? I have no idea, except he works with water, rocks, sticks, leaves, etc. and does neat things with them...kind of like when I was a kid. I like it and it doesn't bother me if someone else doesn't. But yeah, there is a lot of work I can't stand and I do think it interferes with the broader field of "fine art" in some significant ways. But maybe someone else likes it, so...
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    How do you know the person who started this thread isn't doing it as part of some performance piece, like a comment on social media dynamics? lawl

    Seriously- if you don't like 'conceptual art' then you might miss out on some great 'concepts'. Who's to say that painting in photoshop isn't conceptual as hell?

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    I wonder how many hundreds of threads on this subject i've seen about as much as i wonder if this one might actually provide some answers without descending into another hate-storm of deliberate misunderstandings. I, like most people here, used to love firing flak at the Conceptual artworld without a single pint of knowledge on the subject. I was, and probably still am, one of the hyper-arrogant partially mentally blind concept design fanboys.

    I feel it necessary to draw a thin red line between the two apparent worlds of fine art. So, there's traditional fine art, the highly objective practise of drawing and painting. Then, there's conceptual fine art. This is largely about ideas; concepts, which are represented by the artwork. The work exists so the audience can get a picture of the concept, without reading an essay on it.

    let me clarify a few terms, please correct me if i'm wrong.
    Contemporary - current. contemporary art is any art produced within the last ten years or so (or during the current movement, in conceptual art's case). we are all contemporary artists. the word relates to time, not genres of creation.
    Conceptual - the field, or industry, in which 'concepts' are created. These concepts are of the theoretical variety. Conceptual fine art, based on my personal observations, is mostly about reviewing states of society followed by creating concepts, or solutions, to the problems of said society. In other words, conceptual fine art, together with modern science, lead the development of the human race. If you want to become a component in the theoretical side of our future, this is the industry for you.

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    How do you know the person who started this thread isn't doing it as part of some performance piece, like a comment on social media dynamics? lawl
    That wouldn't surprise me. It is often the case in conceptual fine art. For example, Damien Hurst's crystal skull. Apparently, the crystal skull is not the artwork. The fact someone is willing to spend tens of millions on that, rather than say, charity, is the artwork.

    Seriously- if you don't like 'conceptual art' then you might miss out on some great 'concepts'. Who's to say that painting in photoshop isn't conceptual as hell?
    I think you are speaking of concept design. This is not conceptual fine art, as we all know they are two very different industries.

    When i was attending an artschool centered mostly around conceptual fine art (still very objective/traditional/creatively empowering), i was flatting with a second year student (who's now graduated and heading to NYC for exhibitions). We had a conversation that pretty much ended up being about this subject or similar. I had the approach of being obsessed with concept design, while not sharing any understanding of conceptual art for which i felt much contempt. My mate didn't understand why concept design is often called 'concept art', given that it is, actually, a design-based industry. He asked me "concept art.. but what, is the concept?". To which i replied, "communicating visual ideas for the rest of the design team; a character drawing will become a 3D digital model of said character".
    It was a case of both of us standing so firmly, and arrogantly, in our own ground that neither of us were willing to see the other's point of view.

    People appear to like branding concept design with the term 'concept art', i'm guessing, because they'd much rather be thought of as artists rather than designers. There appears to be a current fashion trend where it's 'cool to have the image of an artist', and draw purely for the social status of 'being an artist'. But that's not to say this is the sole reason why people tend to call concept design concept art instead, i'm just speculating within my own brainstorm.
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    I find a lot of fine art superficial and boring. But then again the same can be said for a lot of representational art. But I suppose it's easier to sort the crap from the puddings when it comes to the latter. Conceptual art can be interesting. But on the other hand a lot of the 'punch lines' when it comes to conceptual art are so vague that you really ask yourself whether it was worth going through all that trouble to say that one little thing in the first place. Not to mention destructive acts that are made with an excuse of being 'for the betterment of society' or some other crap...
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    [QUOTE=tobbA;3142220]I find a lot of fine art superficial and boring. But then again the same can be said for a lot of representational art.QUOTE]
    Fine Art and Representational art are not the same thing?

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    Sorry. 'Course they can be. I was more thinking about non-representational fine art vs. representational 'traditional' art in general...
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    I think a lot of contemporary art is a bit zany and formless, and this usually doesn’t appeal to me. I’m not saying that art needs to always have layered meaning to be enjoyable, heck I find Duchamp’s Fountain to be a wonderfully meaningful (and snarky) piece but I wouldn’t want to have it sitting around my house.

    The thing is historically I’m not sure if the situation was all that different. It’s true that the boundaries of “fine art” are now recognized as largely indefinable and this has really opened things up, but there was plenty of historic art created that was zany, formless, meaningless, et cetera. . . . it’s just that we don’t remember it!

    Let’s take music for a moment; lots of people go on about how awful today’s music is compared to what was produced before. Even if we ignore the nostalgia factor the simple fact is crappy music from [insert your favorite genre here] has been forgotten. There are plenty of pieces that were at the top of their charts then but are almost entirely unknown now. I think the same is true for all art.

    There is also a tremendous amount of art produced today, and we have access to art across the entire planet. The more of something you produce the wider the bell curve gets which means you’ll have more pieces at the fringe that gain prominence. It also means it’s harder to stand out from the crowd and a great way to do this is to try and be different . . . but sometimes in the effort to be different it’s also hard to have a piece that works well or at least is understood by a lot of people.

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    kev, are you trying to start something?

    This topic has been beaten to death in God knows how many different discussions. I consider my work contemporary and kinda like the temporary con definition. But in the long run history will, no doubt, find me profound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcarman View Post
    kev, are you trying to start something?


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    By the way kev, have I told you how bitchin' I think your graphic novel work is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kev ferrara View Post
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    I don't think so. Have I told you how much I love your crazy ass stream of consciousness art work?

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    Ooh, imagine how great the art would be if you two got married had chuildren and they grew up to be artists...we're talking American art dynasty here; move over Wyeth
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    I'm a shitty dancer since disco died. And the union would be great as long as we use my name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
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    todays fine art is puke. sometimes people portray puke as art itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rist View Post
    todays fine art is puke. sometimes people portray puke as art itself.
    It must be amazingly cool to be so simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffX99 View Post
    It must be amazingly cool to be so simple.
    it was complexity which destroyed art, miss the good ol' days of simplicity.

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    Everything is only as deep as you are.
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    I began to appreciate some contemporary art only after seeing a certain amount in RL and chatting with the artists and gallery owners for pretty much the same reasons. I still prefer realism and fantasy art and I don't get art which is 100% abstract without any defined figure, and I strive for realism myself, but sometimes I can just envy how some artist manage to portray things or capture moods by using random materials or a loose mess of paint strokes.

    Sometimes great technique feels like it brings diminishing returns... so I can definitely see why some artists choose that way, altough I'd never want to do that all the time. A lot of modernism is horribly overpriced though and there's no reason for that other than marketing and politics, which is sad. It has its reason to exist but shouldn't be put on a pedestal like that. It will cause a hell of a backlash when the fashion swings to more classical approaches.

    Most of my favourite art is halfway between today's flavors of fine art and illustration art. I like mostly early modernism still influenced by impressionism, Gauguin, Chagall, part of Picasso etc.

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    I am very deep. But only when it requires to be deep. When you are deep for no other reason but to be deep what is the point in being deep?

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    Because the only way to find out if something is deep is by being deep yourself. As kev said, everything is only as deep as you are. Refusing to be deep is a) arrogant b) mind numbing. For an artist it means that if you desire to be shallow and simple your art will be the same or in this discussion your opinion on contemporary art.

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