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    Thumbs up Raphael atau/or Leonardo ?

    Seperti Kita tahu,

    Rafaelo -Rafael- Sanzio dan Leonardo Da Vinci, adalah dua Artis besar.

    Keduanya memiliki karakter sendiri.

    Jadi, jika Anda diminta untuk memilih salah satu sebagai inspirator Anda, siapa yang Anda akan pilih?

    Tolong beri alasannya juga.


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    As We know,

    Raffaello -Raphael- Sanzio and Leonardo Da Vinci, are two great Artist.

    Both have own Character.


    So, if You're being asked to choose one as Your inspirator, who's the one You'd choose?

    Please give the reason too.


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    Donato! Cause he's the best!

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    If its just between the two, I'd have to go with Leonardo. He has a slight edge in my book because of his powers of engineering.

     

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    To my knowledge, Leo didn't do much "real" (finished) art compared to Raph or the other masters.

    Neither are much of an "inspiritor" for me, but I'd say Leo because of the Virtruvian man and his designs.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychotime View Post
    To my knowledge, Leo didn't do much "real" (finished) art compared to Raph or the other masters.

    Neither are much of an "inspiritor" for me, but I'd say Leo because of the Virtruvian man and his designs.
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    Bowlin,

    What's the best of him from your perspective/s?

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    Chrome,

    talk about engineering, looks like we have to compare directly between them, their masterpiece in engineering...

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    Heh, Sorry MATius, I was implying a joke, though I do admire Donato Giancola. I was referring to, "The Teenage Mutant Turtles". But Leonardo will usually be chosen. Who doesn't want to be considered a renaissance man?

     

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    Raphael - I think he was a lot more dynamic.


    I didn't think it was possible to be called an artist when you have nothing to say. It's like being a writer who publishes individual words as books and expects to be praised for it.
     

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    Neither.

    Raphael was the end of the Renaissance: a talented kid who absorbed the discoveries of his forebears, summarized them in his work, but never really broke any new ground.

    Leonardo was the dark side of the Renaissance talent: his interests were too broad, he kept experimenting with everything but abandoned his experiments once they failed to produce quick results - or produced quick results which he didn't test, and endlessly tinkered with his paintings. He tried everything but completed very little.

    If you ask me, I'd name people like Michelangelo as central to the Renaissance. They had to discover and create things on their own, and stuck to it.

     

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    arenhaus,

    it is too selfish to say that we do not absorb from anything, we stand alone, we create from our own selves, etc. Although we stand with such perspective, we still are nothing without renaissance. Modern civilization is decreasing from that era, and what happen today is only decreasing quality of what had achieved in that era.

    This era is nothing. we just absorb the Renaissance, and minimize the maximize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAtius Kesar, S.Sn View Post
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    it is too selfish to say that we do not absorb from anything, we stand alone, we create from our own selves, etc..
    Then it's a good thing he didn't say such thing. Is there some language problem here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAtius Kesar, S.Sn View Post
    we still are nothing without renaissance. Modern civilization is decreasing from that era, and what happen today is only decreasing quality of what had achieved in that era.
    This era is nothing. we just absorb the Renaissance, and minimize the maximize.
    "Golden age" nonsense, forgive me for being blunt. I can remind you that "Renaissance" means "revival". These guys in 15th century had been thinking that they had been trying to absorb and "minimize the maximize", whatever that means, what scraps that had been left from the Golden Age, the classical Greco-Roman civilization. They no doubt viewed their era as nothing and were trying to bring the past splendor back.

    Never mind that they, at least, had been really reviving things from the Dark Ages - something that we don't have to deal with, yet. Never mind that they had actually done much better than the classical age, overall, which had its ups and downs. Never mind that they had been inventing breakthrough techniques that the classical civilization had never achieved.

    But how it comes that you can't notice that there had been major artistic achievements since the Renaissance, - that I don't understand.

     

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    As a painter, Raphael definitely. As a draftsman and all around renaissance man Leonardo's much cooler though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tobbA View Post
    As a painter, Raphael definitely. As a draftsman and all around renaissance man Leonardo's much cooler though.
    Same with me: I prefer Leonardo's drawings to just about anyone else's, but I am not that wild about his paintings.

    Difficult to compare the two. As others have pointed out, Leonardo left preciously little finished work.

    Which of the two would I be happiest to live without? Raphael, I think. I learn far more from Leonardo, perhaps precisely because much of what he left is unfinished. It allows me to see his process more clearly. And his notebooks make for fascinating reading even today.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by blogmatix View Post
    Same with me: I prefer Leonardo's drawings to just about anyone else's, but I am not that wild about his paintings.

    Difficult to compare the two. As others have pointed out, Leonardo left preciously little finished work.

    Which of the two would I be happiest to live without? Raphael, I think. I learn far more from Leonardo, perhaps precisely because much of what he left is unfinished. It allows me to see his process more clearly. And his notebooks make for fascinating reading even today.
    But how about their characters? who's more powerful as a great artist? I mean the subject matter perspective of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAtius Kesar, S.Sn View Post
    But how about their characters? who's more powerful as a great artist? I mean the subject matter perspective of course.
    I can't really say. Not too sure what you mean by "most powerful," or "subject matter perspective."

    I don't normally really try to rank artists from best to worst. There are some I like more than others. But I see art more as a sort of wondrous mosaic of various styles and techniques, rather than a linear ranking thing.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by blogmatix View Post
    I can't really say. Not too sure what you mean by "most powerful," or "subject matter perspective."

    I don't normally really try to rank artists from best to worst. There are some I like more than others. But I see art more as a sort of wondrous mosaic of various styles and techniques, rather than a linear ranking thing.
    it's not to rank I meant, but influence that makes that artist to be more than other. It is like inspirator, role-model, icon for you, for life. That's what I mean about subject matter.

    Like you said about your perspective of art, even you see art more as sort of wondrous mosaic, but you have to put one on top of that mosaic and other on the bottom, right?

    Even I draw fresco, with no 'sort of' like mosaic, but I still have to 'choose', draw it from back to fore or fore to back.

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    tobbA,

    So, As the Artist, means whole of its, who's the one you choose?

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    I truly don't understand this overwhelming need some people have to rank things.
    Red or six?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    I truly don't understand this overwhelming need some people have to rank things.
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    You're getting off topic with those questions, Elwell. Please start a new topic for each of those comparisons individually. (Because, quite frankly, I have some strong opinions about "red or six" and I can't go into depth about them here. Short answer though: Red is far superior to six.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    I truly don't understand this overwhelming need some people have to rank things.
    Red or six?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    I truly don't understand this overwhelming need some people have to rank things.
    Red or six?
    Bacon or monkeys?
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    Red, Bacon, and Plato.

     

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    Six, bacon, and Plato.....wait...I think I just missed something.

     

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    mmm... Monkey Bacon...

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    arenhaus,

    Are you trying to judge an era that we're learning much value from it? Your sentence about renaissance is quite Egocentric. But how about the message? You miss the message of renaissance, the great value that enlighten our age. You looked like understand this renaissance by remind me about revival definition, but, you don't, because you don't understand the revival definition here, the true great value of renaissance, not just about their arts that you judged with your egocentric. That's make renaissance as great master, what makes me said that our age is just minimize the maximize.

    Hope you'll see deeper then.

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    OK, does anyone understand what "MAtius Kesar, S.Sn" is saying? Is that some kind of automated translation program?

     

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    Nezumi, thanks for making this thread worthwhile.


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    'Time is a vindictive bandit to steal the beauty of our former selves. We are left with sagging, rippled flesh and burning gums with empty sockets.'
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    I'd say Leonardo.
    He invented various things and he was the first to draw internal organs, making the foundation for what medicine is today (or so I heard).
    He wanted to figure out how things worked and did many studies.
    I also find watching his sketches and paintings more inspirational compared to Raffaello's.
    Plus he painted some of my relatives (Isabella d'Este and Beatrice d'Este), .. that ads a bit more cool points for me personally :p.

    But I have to add that I'm not all to familiar with Raphaels art, but one thing is for sure - He is a great painter. I spechally like his reds, they usually seem so "vivid" if you get what I'm saying.

     

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