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May 8th, 2011 #27
i don't know. how many episodes have you watched?
usually after two or three you give in to it's child-happy, cynic-free nature. or you don't.
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May 8th, 2011 #28
I kind of expected this to happen. The show is far too different from what is considered a show for young girls. It garnered attention (from the least expected audience) for the reasons Hasbro probably did not want, and the ultimate goal is probably to sell the toys to girls. The show outshone the point of it, and now Hasbro's most likely going to take it down a notch. In the worst case scenario, this might end up like Winx Club by season 3 *shivers* but hopefully the remaining team can continue doing a great job without being controlled too much by the toy company.
EDIT: Stuff like:
Brilliantly characterized and timed, almost fucked up, but when your toys look like
I can see why Hasbro might raise a brow lol.
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May 8th, 2011 #29
Their old designs looked atrocious. I remember the show back in like the late 80s or somewhere in the 90s and it was disturbing.
WHEN WILL SEASON 2 COME OUT DAMNIT.
May 8th, 2011 #30
I think the biggest irony for Hasbro is, Lauren Faust took their product which was aimed at materialistic little girls who wanted toys to play with, and made it something compelling, intelligent, deep and well written with good humor, and it became popular amongst adult [EDIT] people [/EDIT]. And I wasn't the least bit persuaded to actually buy their toys.
As Faust is a feminist I'd hate to see her reaction to that statement.. Her design philosophy has always been to create shows for girls that weren't patronizing or the same stupid princess plot each time. And Powerpuff girls appealed to me in my childhood as well. It's nice to find something that's deep and well written that didn't have a lot of darkness to it. And there's something about a well written kids show that really stands apart from a lot of Adult's television these days, probably because it's lack of 'Mature' themes. I haven't really felt this way about a television series since Avatar: The last Airbender.
EDIT: Or Toy story 3. PERFECT example. I was completely convinced that they were to die in that fire.... *sheepish*
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May 8th, 2011 #31
oh no hope it won't be ruined...
May 8th, 2011 #32
May 8th, 2011 #33
I think most cartoon writers nowadays need to stop treating any of their young audiences as morons, female or male. It's ruining potentially good concepts in favour of what they THINK will sell, and it gets to the point that even their target audience can see through that.
MLP isn't exactly missing the audience either. On every episode on Youtube, one of the most viewed audience will always have Female 13-17 on it. Maybe it's not selling the toys as much as it could (thank god), but it's exactly what Faust wanted and then some. I don't think girls are necessarily going to cry in a corner seeing Pinkie Pie and Fluttershy slowly descend into madness; it's just funny!
May 8th, 2011 #34
I just mis-constructed my sentence, that's all.
So I suppose I should have said 'I think it became more popular amongst adult males than they expected it to, who wouldn't be as inclined to buy the product as Hasbro would like.'
I have yet to learn the language of 'Covering my ass'
May 8th, 2011 #35
i just hope they'll update us with inside info every now and then on whether it is or isn't going to be good (i.e. animators posting whether they're happy or frustrated with how it's turning out, no real details), so we don't descent into hysteria and speculation where we don't need it.
director's twitter seems confident/positive:
i'm still torn between hope and despair. trying to wrestle down my feelings abit. it's been long since i've let myself get this involved with a show.
i feel re-assured.
(posts taken from ponychan.net)
"Aside from the fact that she wasn't fired.
Jesus Jackhammering Christ, chances are as she got further along in season 1 she realized that she was slowly losing creative control to the writers and artists (who she thanks), since an episodic structure (the one point of executive meddling that might have caused this.)
Face it, she wanted episodes 1&2 to be the template, and instead got Tales from Ponyville, not that there wasn't continuity (hell Best Night Ever was practically continuity porn.)
notice she says Personal creative involvment and creative control.
Creative involvement went out the window when she had to defer to the various writers and artists, and probably became impersonal when she had to be the boss and worry about things like, how close are we to the deadline over, this isn't quite right, redo it. As for Creative control, she had less once it got past episode 3 when writers took over, and once again had to make it impersonal when she had to say things like, "I'm going to have to cut out these lines, and this joke."
tl;dr Not the end of the world or the end of the franchise as we like it."
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May 8th, 2011 #36
@damascus57: Ha, I wasn't going by just that sentence alone. It seemed to me you were saying, "The company is demoting this creator I like because it ended up targeting the male demographic who don't buy pony toys." Thus saying it must not be popular with the intended demo, or those who buy the product.
I could also say I know a lot of adults who buy plenty of toys. It wasn't a srs bznz comment from me though. Just teasing you.
Hasbro IS in the market of toys, but as has been proven with other companies who get into the entertainment biz, that is not all they make money from. A popular toon is still going to make good money, even without the bonus of merchandise.
May 8th, 2011 #37
That's a very resounding and confident "We're fine guys" that I've heard. I feel better, I will keep Winter wrap up as my ringtone.
I have to admit, when I first heard the news my reaction was:
But I guess I'm more enthused about Season 2 =)
And thanks Miranda =) It's always difficult to determine when someone's being funny and when someone's giving a little nudge.
I wish I could get paid like that... Thankfully that's all being donated to Japan.
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May 8th, 2011 #39
ms. faust didn't mention a certain detail that shines a WHOLE new light on the whole situation:
i am now completely comfortable again.
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