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    i always love the fresh smell of new artist`s art work .. its like the smell of new car... i started a year and a half before u.. and i promise u a year from now.. if u continued working this hard.. u will reach great level.. just dont let anything take u away from art..
    i love to do everything and learn everything... i hate to be cornered in one place.. i believe u can be anything u want... Your mind is limitless... check out my sketchbook ... u will find a bit of everything

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan liimatta View Post
    it helps if you look up reference on the net - say search for the objects you need - in theory you could even make a collage of them before you continue.

    Often at work that would be our concept - a stampled collage of images with some paint on top to tie everything together.

    like so ~ also now you get Stephen Fry and that always helps.

    EDIT: OH I was so lazy with the background - shame on me


    EDIT2: And well you want to learn to paint and improve all else - but sometimes if you can't yet muster a full character out of mind unto paper, maybe doing it in collage for now to get the idea down is the best solution ~ then later you can fiddle all you want - but you don't want to spend forever and a day on getting the basic idea down unless you are certain that this one would hold water - maybe it don't and you'd rather spend that eternity on something else.

    Also at least where I worked this was norm early on to get more ideas down fast - and then would we start sketching on making our own - but the amount of ideas you can get down in a day through google is staggering ~
    Thanks those are really great suggestions!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rain Walker View Post
    i always love the fresh smell of new artist`s art work .. its like the smell of new car... i started a year and a half before u.. and i promise u a year from now.. if u continued working this hard.. u will reach great level.. just dont let anything take u away from art..
    That's a good boost for motivation, thank you

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    np - just weed out what you don't like as I have a tendency to ramble ~ gl with it all and I'll try to drop by from time to time.
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    I haven't been drawing for quite a bit, 4-5 weeks.

    Anyway I'm back again still studying anatomy; I've temporarily suspended my Nicolaides studies because I felt the need of a more "anarchist" approach.

    While I was in vacation I gave birth to this sketch from imagination.

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    First off, it's great you have motivation... you should keep drawing what you like despite anything you hear to the contrary. It will keep you happy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rod.F View Post
    My aim is to be able to master a style which will mix surrealism and realism.

    My "self-study drawing" syllabus
    'Kay, I'm going to paraphrase Ron Lemen here... nothing that comes from inside you can teach you any new information. If you want to study drawing, you need new information from outside yourself.

    Worked on
    -"Drawing on the right side of the brain" (this really helped me a lot in seeing)

    In progress (started on March 2011)
    - "Natural way to draw" K.Nicolaides
    Ugh. You'll forgive me, but those are possibly the worst two books for someone starting out in drawing... ever.

    You want to do work from imagination, right? Betty Edwards does not help you at all with that.

    You want realism, right? I wouldn't go Nicolaides way, then. His methods may work, but there are better and more efficient ways IMHO.

    I did was I let the impulse to make a fast gesture, a scribble a la nicolaides and then it started to form the silhouette. So I constructed it but
    My question here is rhetorical... how can Nicolaides' scribble method help you find forms that you don't understand yet? There's no reason not to study constructional methods first.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rod.F View Post
    Damn this is so frustrating!
    It's because you have misleading and plain bad information (Edwards! IMHO)
    Look at the link in my sig about the "Right Side"...

    I have imaginary worlds and characters who'd like to get on the paper but my craft is just at the beginning and can't follow my ideas!
    Drawing is really hard, because it's not easy to encapsulate quickly. There are not just a couple of skills; there are dozens of skills you have to acquire to get proficient at it.

    I would suggest trying Ron Lemen's methods. He's a great teacher.

    I couldn't put the details in it.
    Don't worry about details. Work from the big, important shapes to the small. Details get in your way. They're the salt, not the meal.

    I think I should just have patience..
    Cannot be understated. Yes!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rod.F View Post
    Anyway I'm back again still studying anatomy;
    Anatomy is a bit advanced for you at this stage. I would suggest studying how to draw simple shapes, because what you'll end up drawing is simple shapes that make up complex shapes. Then you'll learn how to project them in 3D; then you'll learn how to light and shade them.

    THEN, the anatomy books will start to make more sense to you.--especially Bridgman.

    I've temporarily suspended my Nicolaides studies
    Oh, go ahead and make that one permanent

    because I felt the need of a more "anarchist" approach.
    LOL! I always thought that Nicolaides tried to come off as an arrogant anarchist in his book.

    But seriously, you need basic instruction if you're going to learn the craft...

    There is really good basic information available. Ron Lemen is a great place to start.

    Try this page for some good overviews. Then set up a schedule for yourself and practice like crazy!

    Good luck!

    Finally, if you like realism/surrealism... check out Todd Schorr's work
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    Quote Originally Posted by p sage View Post
    Anatomy is a bit advanced for you at this stage. I would suggest studying how to draw simple shapes, because what you'll end up drawing is simple shapes that make up complex shapes. Then you'll learn how to project them in 3D; then you'll learn how to light and shade them.
    Thanks for all your suggestions!

    I'm working on anatomy following a direction of a friend of mine.
    He is an animator and he told me to work immediately on anatomy because it'll teach me all the underlying concepts of perspective, rendering and forms in an intuitive manner.
    That's where my focus on anatomy comes from

    I'm also adding some pics of random studies i've been doing in the last months. They are average quality because I took em with a camera, my scanner is not working at the moment, but they should give you an idea of where I'm going!

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    Great studies!Keep it up and you'll level up pretty soon xD

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    Here studying head anatomy, planes and a bit of facial features; I used very light lines and I tried to increase tone in PS but a lot of lines aren't visible unfortunately.
    Last edited by Rod.F; August 26th, 2011 at 06:41 AM.

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    I strongly recommend studying gesture and form before studying anatomy or at least simultaneously but that's just me...keep up the good work

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    I've stopped drawing for quite a bit... around 3 months, I had quite a tough time at work but I'm back totally motivated!


    -=<<My quest to art and creativity>>=-


    -- Quick sketch at the beach

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    -- Quick sketch of my wife

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    -- From comics

    Finally doing something which I've always wanted to do and stopped doing since I was 10: drawing bulky heroes !

    -=<<My quest to art and creativity>>=-


    -- From imagination

    Trying to draw a back view from imagination

    -=<<My quest to art and creativity>>=-


    -- From imagination

    I was scribbling and made a quick line of action that suggested me to draw this woman, from imagination too.

    -=<<My quest to art and creativity>>=-

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    So what happens in these sketches is this: I'm tremendously obsessed about finding the perfect approach, artistic process and way of thinking and this blocks me so much.
    Yesterday, after drawing cubes, spheres, proportions gestures etc...I started to feel so frustrated and tired untill I took the first book at hand (Hogarth in this case) and I started to sketch everything in a "trance" like manner.

    The first three groups of sketches didn't take more than 20-30 seconds each; I took the pencil and started to draw so fast, so energetic... at times this energy wasn't too good because it stopped the flow, somehow. But it felt so liberating and so good...

    After that, I doodled a man coming out of a pot and a face from my twisted mind.

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    The concept of the "S" rhythm of the legs, explained by Ron Lemen in the ImagineFX workshop, really got me.

    I doodled without thinking the the "s flows" and I then tried to flesh them out from imagination. This has been one of the best way I've discovered to draw dynamic legs

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    I've just bought "Complete guide to life drawing" from Bammes; I'm amazed.

    This is the approach I was looking for: he first describes you a simplified function of the muscle and then he gives you exercise. But what it's really amazing is that I finally understood what does "anatomy study" means. He actually gives you a way of conceiving a body part as a 3d simplified object, thus making you mold it and move it in the space.
    He's really opening my mind...

    I've always looked for something like this; I feel loomis and bridgman went close to him with their planes but Bammes drawings and explanations really give you a lot of "food" to practically use these concepts.

    This is one of my first studies and, finally, I didn't simply copy the reference but I'm learning how to construct it by myself! That's where Bammes is great.

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    I've immediately tried to draw legs from my mind, after a quick glance at the legs chapter in Bammes' book and the first sketch came out.

    The second sketch is my first attempt at drawing a stylized face from imagination by using the concepts found in Caldwell books; in this case, drawing never felt more natural, spontaneous and enjoying! I thought "why I've never drawn like this if I like it?!?"

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