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    @stoat: ahh...my misunderstanding. I thought that the measurements were done by looking at the car, not a photo of the car. In that case, there's no difference.

    The point that I was commenting on was that, if you trace from a photo, there's a chance that the perspective is incorrect. This is more apparent with objects that are vertical and some distance away (http://www.f-mag.com/workshop/photos...pective_01.asp ). In addition, working from the photo flattens out the shadows or oversaturates the bright areas.

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    Kinda off-track but this thread reminds me of this scene from Chasing Amy:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMwhZryRUr4

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vari View Post
    So true. My drawings are so amateurish by CA standards, but friends who are not interested in art are like "whoooooah! Dude you are so good". And I say "Thanks, but not really. My stuff is awful"... and maybe I sound like an elitist or something, but it really is and the compliments make me uncomfortable, because I know that my drawings are not that good.
    Take a compliment when it's offered. You're drawing abilities are comfortably in the top one percent of humanity in term of drawing ability. Sure, there are many better people out there, but it's like a 6'4" man insisting he's not tall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meloncov View Post
    Take a compliment when it's offered. You're drawing abilities are comfortably in the top one percent of humanity in term of drawing ability. Sure, there are many better people out there, but it's like a 6'4" man insisting he's not tall.
    http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=197105

    ???

    I'm all for giving credit where credit is due but.... ???

    Vari's self assessment may be a little harsh, but not unwarranted.

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    Ah.. you found my virgin sketchbook. I'm flattered by the attention, but if you want to discuss me or give me crits do it in my sketchbook. I'm sure people who come in this thread are not interested in me, so let's not bother them.

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    It looks traced to me only because there's not construction lines or eraser marks. Cars have lots of extremely caligraphic smooth lines which you seemed to nail seemingly dead on. So I would say this was traced but at the same time I wouldn't care. Just show the construction sketch if they have a problem.

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    If you tell me you drew that car freehand via a measurement method, I will believe you because I know it can be done. In fact I have done it myself, but don't do it very often because it is time consuming and finicky. I prefer a more sketchy look. But I know what you have done is possible. If someone challenges you, you have to either blow them off, or contrive to leave some construction marks.

    Personally, I would just blow them off. You know how you did it, and that is all that matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meloncov View Post
    Take a compliment when it's offered. You're drawing abilities are comfortably in the top one percent of humanity in term of drawing ability. Sure, there are many better people out there, but it's like a 6'4" man insisting he's not tall.
    Fair point, but in the art world, you don't get paid for being semi-decent. Be the best or be nothing.

    DISCLAIMER: I am not claiming to be the best. I'm just saying, being critical of your own work is a good thing to do. If you measure yourself against people worse than you, you will never improve.

    Also, I love the tags in this thread.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Droid View Post
    Fair point, but in the art world, you don't get paid for being semi-decent. Be the best or be nothing.

    DISCLAIMER: I am not claiming to be the best. I'm just saying, being critical of your own work is a good thing to do. If you measure yourself against people worse than you, you will never improve.

    Also, I love the tags in this thread.
    I agree, but such self criticism should be kept to oneself, or at least amongst other artists. Saying you're bad at something to someone who is worse at it than you are tends to come off as condescending, or at least unappreciative.


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    http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=197105

    ???

    I'm all for giving credit where credit is due but.... ???

    Vari's self assessment may be a little harsh, but not unwarranted.

    Pretty sure that's top one percent of the world population. Perhaps a couple percent of people in the U.S. or Europe study drawing to any serious degree, and that number is far lower in many of the poorer parts of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vari View Post
    Ah.. you found my virgin sketchbook. I'm flattered by the attention, but if you want to discuss me or give me crits do it in my sketchbook. I'm sure people who come in this thread are not interested in me, so let's not bother them.
    Hey, I'm always interested in the more verbal members of CA who bloviate in General Forums!

    But. . .

    The OP's only afraid of what might happen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Droid View Post
    Fair point, but in the art world, you don't get paid for being semi-decent.
    *cough*Liefeld*cough*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lhune View Post
    Because my boyfriend would not be interested in having his own face on his bedroom wall, haha. I could draw him for personal practise purposes though, but this is a gift for him, for his birthday .
    Ah...good point! I know what he would like!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffX99 View Post
    Ah...good point! I know what he would like!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    Difficulty and time. Amateurs value the first highly and the second little, professionals, the opposite.

    I was just going to say something like this based off what my illustration teacher told me about using a projector to help me reach my deadlines with my Senior Project.

    Anything that helps you finish before the deadline (outside of copy and pasting) is fair game in the professional world.

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    You know what? Just take one of Android's drawings, flip it, post it above the car, and do a variation with a sketched version. THEN they'll believe you!

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    It took me like three hours to finish the shading on the license plate. It's probably the best drawing I've ever done.

    (Im being a jackass for a cheap laugh, your photocopy drawing looks great)

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    Quote Originally Posted by p sage View Post
    But illustration is not fine art. .
    This is an ignorant statement. There is no such thing as fine art, there is only good art and bad art. Art serves many purposes and is created for many reasons. I make my living selling paintings in galleries and it is so boring to listen to people trying to draw a distinction for the use of art. People who make art for galleries and museums still make art for money; they or their gallery representatives beg for grant money and jump through hoops and kowtow and suck up more than any illustrator or production artist ever had to for work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dpaint View Post
    This is an ignorant statement.
    People make it a sport to take what I say out of context, so I'm not going to bother with a full response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDirtSyndicate View Post
    my answer to anyone saying i traced?
    go fuck yourself.
    end of story. and yes, that answer is standard. even to family.
    You know, you COULD show them a small demo, and compare your drawing to shit that is actually traced.. Also, I feel as if tracing is very much like cheating if you're trying to draw something realistically. It offers no satisfaction when you reach the end product, and to be realistic here: any idiot can trace a photo. If anyone is concerned, be like "I drew this.. Why would I trace it when that's something any of you could have done?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    Difficulty and time. Amateurs value the first highly and the second little, professionals, the opposite.
    That is a great quote, which I am now going to use liberally.

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    here's an example of how I deal;

    sweet pic onion, did you trace it?
    your mother traced it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onionface View Post
    here's an example of how I deal;

    sweet pic onion, did you trace it?
    your mother traced it.
    Your mother is a tracer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    Difficulty and time. Amateurs value the first highly and the second little, professionals, the opposite.
    Pearls, people! He's casting pearls...

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Wilson View Post
    That is a great quote, which I am now going to use liberally.
    I value both, so on the serious side: what does that make me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by manlybrian View Post
    My fiancee's parents aren't too fond of me. Her dad is near impossible to please (he doesn't even care for his own kids all that much) and while the parents are nice to my face (sometimes) they often talk negatively about me when I'm not there. Her dad wanted to be an artist when he was a kid but his parents put him down for it and made it out to be a sissy occupation. They wanted him to be a carpenter or something more 'manly', so he's a little bit disgruntled about that and I've often been nervous about showing him my art because he can be pretty judging sometimes and I do want him to like me.

    I had to come to the realization eventually that he'll either like me or he won't. I can't make him like me. My fiancee has tried most her life (until recent years) to make him happy and do the things he wanted her to do and he would still always complain. There's no pleasing him. So I've just started shrugging off his opinion. I treat him respectfully and kindly, and I no longer care if he sees my art, but I also no longer care about his opinions or his judgments. I just try to enjoy what little time we have left with him (he has cancer) and be pleased with the art I do whether he likes it or not.
    i still say tell him to go fuck himself.
    he might actually respect you for being "manly" for doing so. ha

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