I know. problem is, what to do about it. especially as refusing to work this way jeopardizes your chances of graduation. no; actually, you cannot even pass the second year right now if you refuse to work for nothing. there is no union for animators. not in the Netherlands.
its little wonder that when I asked professionals how to make it in the business, the first thing they've all told me is 'leave the country'.
I have 2 young children and a husband with an actual paying job, so that's not really an option.
Last edited by ashess; April 28th, 2014 at 11:01 AM.
If you don't mind the Belgian chiming in, since my subforum is even more dead.
The problem with going abroad is the visa+you'll be competing against artcenter/FZD graduates.
I thought the situation was less bad in Netherland due to Killzone being made there, but I take it that's not the case.
So yeah, I don't really get people who go into game design programs right now.
They're teaching worse programming than an ICT program and they're teaching literally no useful drawing skills as far as I can see.
So an atelier or a course in programming are both more useful since they allow for more options to find work. Hell, even a course in business will help you more to start your own indie studio than a game design program. Now I haven't seen all the art educations in Western Europe, but I'm going to bet that not one of them even teaches constructive idealism. Mostly just naturalism with some vilppu/bammes/.. thrown in for good measure. Which is not that useful in 3D modelling and won't let you outperform someone who went to Asia or Russia for their education. Zhang Lu(of the female portrait) being a prime example of the difference in quality.
And as for those who think the forum is dead, we went from 400/1K people online to 20 at the time of posting. Facebook is now mostly about self promotion, so no real sense of community either.
It's one thing to try and train the competition, but if even the top has trouble staying in business these days, training the opposition becomes detrimental for the person sharing stuff.
So yeah, until the world economy makes a full recovery, it'll be difficult to get this type of community going again. As it's detrimental for the best to share and not a good investment of time for the fledgling artists.
Last edited by Hyskoa; April 28th, 2014 at 11:21 AM.
Generally a good idea, but in North America they are not really waiting to hire international candidates because of strict visa regulations, and in a good part of the world people are animating for a salary that is not going to pay your bills. That leaves France, Germany, Great Brittain and Ireland, and in some of these countries people talk funny, while in the others they act funny.its little wonder that when I asked professionals how to make it in the business, the first thing they've all told me is 'leave the country'.
YIKES!I have 2 young children and a husband with an actual paying job, so that's not really an option.
Zal wa Nederlands praten zodat de convo wat meer privé blijft.
Ge hebt twee opties in dat geval. Ofwel ga je naar een van die ateliers voor een 3-5 tal jaar en probeer je te verbeteren zodat je beter bent dan de competitie. Ga je wel in directe competitie met FDZ graduaten die deftige opleiding kregen sinds de leeftijd van 12. Geloof mij, die 3-5 jaar zal 12-14 uur werken per dag zijn voor dat niveau te halen.
Ofwel een visa nu aanvragen en een andere job doen voor een aantal jaar tot de visa doorgaat op de natuurlijke wijze. Maar dan is men nog niet zeker dat met deze economie, de jobs allemaal in Canada blijven. Als die subsidies opdrogen, gaan die bedrijven weg. 100% zeker van.
Ge kunt geen permanente residentie aanvragen als gewone burger?
Duurt een 8 tal jaar dacht ik, maar zal nog altijd de beste optie zijn, nee?
Hey, didn't realize there was an actual dedicated dutch thread. Nice!
For people living in or near Amsterdam and looking for a cheap place to do live drawing, Mezrab offers sessions on monday from 19:30 to 22:00 for 5 euros. I go whenever I can. There won't be one the 5th of may, but I expect it'll continue the week after again.
The problem is really more about: Why educate so many for an empty market?
On game conventions here it often seems like a scam to me. Everyone is teaching. Everyone offers "the way to your dream job" in this way or the other. And then I see the best people work in Albert Heijn.
Neither are there magical secrets you can keep for yourself. Everyone has just to find his right spot.
The Netherlands are not a lost case just yet. The indie industry has some nice companies developing. There is lots of funding (in my eyes nearly too much).
I've been at Mezrab two times now and it's a pretty good place to go figure drawing. Nice people, relaxed atmosphere. 8-10 or so people drawing the last two times.
It's 5€ a session, which is the cheapest place I've seen so far. 19.30 to 22.00 P.M. No easels but you can bring whatever you need. They start with some quick poses (1min, 2min) and gradually increase the time (up to 20min).
In my sketchbook I've uploaded the figures from last two weeks, if anyone is interested in seeing the type of poses. I'll be there again on Monday for sure!
went. totally worth it and we need more people to keep this going!
nice n central in Amsterdam; definitely gonna be there next week.
About decent drawing workshops/schools. The animation workshop in Denmark offers one. Glen Vilppu usually visits the school every year. http://www.animwork.dk/en/classical_drawing_courses.aspSeveral people I know did the course and really loved it! Apparently a student of Glen is running the course.
head up 4 ppl to come drawing tonight @ mezrab. I should be there ;P that alone should be incentive enough for y'all to travel the country!
I was the woman who brought her own easel and did charcoal. behind the couch. the only one standing :p
damn, missed last week bc of a book (forgot the time), well, wasnt sure there would be any drawing bc of pinksteren/ anyway, who's going tonight?
Hallo hier een nieuwe Nederlander, ik heb me vandaag geregistreerd
hahaha hallo, alles goed?
Waar kom je vandaan?
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