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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyskoa View Post
    Ofwel een visa nu aanvragen en een andere job doen voor een aantal jaar tot de visa doorgaat op de natuurlijke wijze. Maar dan is men nog niet zeker dat met deze economie, de jobs allemaal in Canada blijven. Als die subsidies opdrogen, gaan die bedrijven weg. 100% zeker van.
    Dat gaat zo niet werken: voor permanent residence kom je als kunstenaar niet in aanmerking, en voor een tijdelijk visum heb je eerst een baan nodig.

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    Ge kunt geen permanente residentie aanvragen als gewone burger?
    Duurt een 8 tal jaar dacht ik, maar zal nog altijd de beste optie zijn, nee?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyskoa View Post
    Ge kunt geen permanente residentie aanvragen als gewone burger?
    Duurt een 8 tal jaar dacht ik, maar zal nog altijd de beste optie zijn, nee?
    Nee, dat kan dus niet. Je kunt PR alleen aanvragen als je een beroep uitoefent waar een tekort aan is, en om kunstenaars zitten ze niet echt te springen.

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    Hey, didn't realize there was an actual dedicated dutch thread. Nice!
    For people living in or near Amsterdam and looking for a cheap place to do live drawing, Mezrab offers sessions on monday from 19:30 to 22:00 for 5 euros. I go whenever I can. There won't be one the 5th of may, but I expect it'll continue the week after again.

    http://www.mezrab.nl/

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    Quote Originally Posted by eezacque@xs4all.nl View Post
    I am not sure whether it is cause or consequence: ....companies ...are hiring skills only when they need them, as cheaply as possible. As a result, in many areas hard-boiled skills fail to develop, ... I am afraid it is not just an issue with art...
    Yeah, may not only be art. It's a chicken and egg thing I suppose. There would be enough money if you ask me - the companies are not willing to go for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hyskoa View Post
    I thought the situation was less bad in Netherland due to Killzone being made there, but I take it that's not the case.
    Well - it's about the only big studio here. And either way, I've seen them do the same. Suppose they just pick up the top talents that go through. In a way you can't blame them - they profit greatly from the subsidized education here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hyskoa View Post
    So yeah, I don't really get people who go into game design programs right now.
    They're teaching worse programming than an ICT program and they're teaching literally no useful drawing skills as far as I can see.
    I sometimes give lectures at the NHL (Leeuwarden), so I don't know the very details, but it seems ok to me. Good on-hands projects. HKU students I know are generally satisfied and some come out with great skills.
    The problem is really more about: Why educate so many for an empty market?

    On game conventions here it often seems like a scam to me. Everyone is teaching. Everyone offers "the way to your dream job" in this way or the other. And then I see the best people work in Albert Heijn.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hyskoa View Post
    It's one thing to try and train the competition, but if even the top has trouble staying in business these days, training the opposition becomes detrimental for the person sharing stuff.
    You look at it too technical IMO. Art skills are not like a competitive sport or a checklist.
    Neither are there magical secrets you can keep for yourself. Everyone has just to find his right spot.

    The Netherlands are not a lost case just yet. The indie industry has some nice companies developing. There is lots of funding (in my eyes nearly too much).

    Quote Originally Posted by Schraverus View Post
    For people living in or near Amsterdam and looking for a cheap place to do live drawing, Mezrab offers sessions on monday from 19:30 to 22:00 for 5 euros. [/url]
    Nice, thanks. Never heard of it. I'll check it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Veil View Post
    The problem is really more about: Why educate so many for an empty market?
    Education is just another market, which provides jobs for teachers and keeps schools up and running. I have seen the same pattern in computer science and research: there are hardly any jobs, it is just schools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schraverus View Post
    Hey, didn't realize there was an actual dedicated dutch thread. Nice!
    For people living in or near Amsterdam and looking for a cheap place to do live drawing, Mezrab offers sessions on monday from 19:30 to 22:00 for 5 euros. I go whenever I can. There won't be one the 5th of may, but I expect it'll continue the week after again.

    http://www.mezrab.nl/
    oh wow. thats cheap!

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    I've been at Mezrab two times now and it's a pretty good place to go figure drawing. Nice people, relaxed atmosphere. 8-10 or so people drawing the last two times.
    It's 5€ a session, which is the cheapest place I've seen so far. 19.30 to 22.00 P.M. No easels but you can bring whatever you need. They start with some quick poses (1min, 2min) and gradually increase the time (up to 20min).

    In my sketchbook I've uploaded the figures from last two weeks, if anyone is interested in seeing the type of poses. I'll be there again on Monday for sure!


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    Gonna see if i can make that

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    Interessant, wel jammer dat het niet heel dichtbij is ^^; Maar ik zal het onthouden

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    went. totally worth it and we need more people to keep this going!

    nice n central in Amsterdam; definitely gonna be there next week.

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    About decent drawing workshops/schools. The animation workshop in Denmark offers one. Glen Vilppu usually visits the school every year. http://www.animwork.dk/en/classical_drawing_courses.aspSeveral people I know did the course and really loved it! Apparently a student of Glen is running the course.

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    head up 4 ppl to come drawing tonight @ mezrab. I should be there ;P that alone should be incentive enough for y'all to travel the country!

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