The Netherlands

[ashess]

Got the zoo picw up if any1 is interested. also, any1 going to this weeks modeldrawing? it is every week right? i think ill go.

[PGC]

I won't be attending the model drawing this week (You mean at SAKB, right?) , but I definitely would like to attend one.

I have never attended any live model drawing before...

[ashess]

Yes, i mean this one:

@ Ashess: I can't make it.

I will be attending SAKB's life drawing atelier tomorrow night. From 20:00 to 22:30, nude poses. Costs €9,-.

Maybe ill see you there some other time then?

[ashess]

game called on account of stormy weather. maybe next time gadget!!

[Art_Addict]

Hello CA Netherlands!

If any of you happen to be in Antwerp this Sunday night, April 22, M. Tobias Hall and myself will be doing a live portrait painting demo and lecture at the Nova Cultural center. Entrance is totally free. More details on the poster. Maybe catch some of you there!

Cheers,
Tom

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[Kapri]

Yes, i mean this one:



Maybe ill see you there some other time then?

Yeah, I'll post in this thread as soon as I'm attending another SAKB aterlier or going out to draw in public. I'll be away to Zurich next week though and kinda busy after that. So don't know when. But I'd love to tag along to the zoo some time.

Art_Addict: looks awesome, too bad I can't make the time.

By the way: I went to the storyboard workshop by Jim Cornish. Pretty cool stuff even though it was more of a lecture / interview instead of a real workshop. Did anybody else manage to go?

[PGC]

Nope. Unfortunately I wasn't able to go.

Art_Addict: It indeed looks awesome. Too bad I won't be anywhere near Antwerp

[Anthis]

Beautiful paintings Tom. Seems like a nice lecture too! Doubt I'll make it though, but you never know.

I've got another idea for a sketchmeet, but I still need to work it out a bit.
The Allard Pierson museum in Amsterdam has a collection of plaster casts from ancient statues. Seems like great study material. Access is unfortunately limited. I'm currently corresponding with them to see whats possible, I'll report later!

[Kapri]

Beautiful paintings Tom. Seems like a nice lecture too! Doubt I'll make it though, but you never know.

I've got another idea for a sketchmeet, but I still need to work it out a bit.
The Allard Pierson museum in Amsterdam has a collection of plaster casts from ancient statues. Seems like great study material. Access is unfortunately limited. I'm currently corresponding with them to see whats possible, I'll report later!

Awesome idea, I've been wanting to draw plaster casts for a while now. I'll try to tag along.

Another cool idea might be to go to Naturalis in Leiden and study animal / dinosaur anatomy there.

[Thomas Veil]

The Piersons is cool I was there a couple o'times.
Would love to see the Wackers course, its just so far away.... I'm lazy

Two other things coming up: On Qeensday I'll be makin portraits with other artists in the Westerpark from 11 o'clock on. If someone is interested to join, I can hook you up (or you just come either way ).

And then from the 18th May up to 3rd June there is Portrait Month in the Galerie de Stoker (Baarsjes area). You can either watch or see just the paintings on the wall - or join the painting sessions with portrait models - 3 hours for 10 Euro. It is every Friday, Saturday and Sunday 13 to 16 o'clock... I'll be there the first 3 sessions to paint (and host so to speak), and then every Sunday.
Here are the details: http://www.maroesja-lacunes.com/beel...euwsbrief.html

Ther's also a Dr. Skechy's at 20th July apparently... and I was thinking to also organize a portrait session in my studio in May or June. Busy times

[Inwe]

I never knew there was here a Netherlands topic, nice!

Im a 3th year student from HKU (high school of art Utrecht), design for virtual theatre and games. I want to practise my drawing more (analog and digital), but doing this at home doesn't work for me. Does anybody knows good workshops to learn more? The only workshops i can find isn't in the Netherlands... I like to draw concept/game art, portraits en city's. Who o who can help me? ^^

[Kapri]

I'll be attending SAKB life drawing session in Amstelveen on Wednesday next week again. If anyone wants to meet up: I'll see you there.

@ Inwe: I haven't found any concept art workshops in Dutch, but if you want to practise traditional drawing / painting Wackers academy in Amsterdam is great. Wackers basics is given in the weekends.

[Overtoom]

Chances are I might join you Kapri
Have my last exam on tuesday and can't wait to start drawing again!

[Anthis]

Gotta check, but will probably be there tomorrow as well!

edit: see you tonight!

[Erik]

Hi guys,

I'll put this in the jobs section as well - but as we're currently focusing on the Netherlands this seems like a good spot as well!

Haven't been active on this site for a while, but i do have some interesting news i guess.

Currently i work at a strategy consulting firm, and we help companies figure out how they can be succesful in the future. BUT we do this in a new, fresh way!

Instead of boring powerpoints and reports we use the power of visuals and animation to help people understand what they need to do. We want to bring the level of quality normally reserved for games and movies to the business world. We are going to shake it up!

At this moment I am creating a list of great people that we can call upon to help us do just that. We are also looking for a small core group that we can work with on a more fixed base.

The work runs from the conceptual and design process of translating the situations and strategies of the companies into visuals, creating and production of these visuals in a few iterations and finally delivering the final product, which can be photoshop, illustratos, print, motion graphics...

What I am looking for are talented, eager people that have a knack for (cartoonish) illustrations, vector work, and preferably skills in coming up with images and asking the right questions.

If you have what it takes I'd love to look at some work and hopefully meet to tell you more.

Please send me an email at Erik.van.der.pluijm (at) businessmodelsinc.com

Looking forward to your responses!
Erik

[Teuntjemaas]

Hey there, is there anyone from the neighbourhood of Doetinchem? It might be a too small town but I hope to find some people to get weekly meet-ups with. If there is anyone please leave a message or pm.

[Kapri]

Hey guys 'n gals. I'll be sketching at the Naturalis museum on a saturday or sunday somewhere in the next few weeks. Looks like they have awesome stuffed animals / skeletons to draw: http://www.naturalis.nl/nl/het-museu...oonstellingen/.

Let me know if you're interested in joining me and we'll work out a date.

[Kapri]

Teylers museum in Haarlem is showing a collection of drawings by Raphael. This might be even more interresting to do first, since it's temporary. Anyone up for this?

[Anthis]

I'm up!
Can probably shift work around, so I'm most likely flexible when it comes to picking a date.

[Girlwiththehat]

Hey what a nice thread anyone near den haag?

[Sushy]

ja we moeten wel weer eens een meeting houden vind ik

Ik woon helaas niet in de buurt van Den Haag.

[Girlwiththehat]

dat zou best wel geweldig zijn ja niemand die ik ken in de buurt heeft iets met tekenen :/
niet dat ik zo geweldig ben, maar het gaat om het idee

[Girlwiththehat]

iemand zin in een sketchmeet?

[Kono]

Another Dutchie (no pun intended) here...

Gentle bump one year after the last post.

[eezacque]

This thread looks like a desert, with annual postings?

Is this because concept art is essentially dead in The Netherlands?
It has started to grow, people are just catching up?
It is kicking and alive, people just don't hang around in conceptart.org?
It was just getting somewhere, but the crisis made it come to a grinding halt?
There are no jobs, just a lot of people trying to find one?
There are jobs, but there is no talent?
Everybody is having a blast, it is just another glitch of conceptart.org?

Let's try to sort this out...

[Pixelkh]

Has concept art ever been alive in the Netherlands? I wonder how useful those Game Art & Design degrees they give here actually are. As those are the closest thing to concept art, I think.

I don't really know where to go. It's mostly just too expensive or inconvenient for me to join things. The last time I've had a conversation with an artist was quite a few years ago. Did try to teach and motivate a friend who wanted to learn. That didn't work out.

I'd love to meet other artists.

I do know about figure drawing classes. But those are at least an hour travelling and I don't have the funds to go there on a consistent basis. For now I just take train trips and draw there because that's free for me anyways.

I wonder, do you draw from life in public. If so, what kind of places?

[Thomas Veil]

This thread looks like a desert, with annual postings?
Is this because concept art is essentially dead in The Netherlands?

I dunno, there are quite a lot of good concept artists in the Netherlands. It's more that this forum here is not so central anymore. Facebook groups took over a lot I would think.
Check here for the "Dutch Concept Artists group"
Then there is the "Dutch Sketch Meet" ... which had a meeting like a month ago in Utrecht, but is quite inactive otherwise.
And I go nearly weekly to the "Draw Club" in Amsterdam. Not really conceptart specific - more like just some people drawing together. Lots of Animators there.
Another Dutch community (I don't use yet, but seems cool) "Team Awesome"

I'm not even into tumblr and this modern crazy stuff So I'm sure there is more to be found.

There are no jobs, just a lot of people trying to find one?
There are jobs, but there is no talent?

Well, I would say (as being concept freelancer here myself): One can manage to get around. But there are not many jobs. Companies tend to hire only student interns, and fire them when it's done. I actually think it's one reason the industry here is stuck at a low quality level. There is definitely a brain-drain.

The indie industry is bustling though - I think there are opportunities.

Let's try to sort this out...

Suggestions?

Has concept art ever been alive in the Netherlands? I wonder how useful those Game Art & Design degrees they give here actually are. As those are the closest thing to concept art, I think.

Depends on yourself I would say. You can definitely use the learning environment to your advantage - but if you're driven enough, or get lucky with a job early, then you can self-educate. At the end art-directors look at your portfolio - not at any paper with a degree.

I'd love to meet other artists.
...those are at least an hour travelling

Where are you living?
See my links above... some of those groups are around Leeuwarden. Then there is of course lots of stuff in Amsterdam - especially if you are flexible about the kind of art. There is also an active concept drawing group in Breda that I've seen... but I would have to search for a link.

[eezacque]

Companies tend to hire only student interns, and fire them when it's done. I actually think it's one reason the industry here is stuck at a low quality level. There is definitely a brain-drain.

I am not sure whether it is cause or consequence: the Dutch have never had any entertainment industry worth mentioning, or any other industry. The emphasis is very much on services, which means that many companies are relying heavily on management and consultancy, and are hiring skills only when they need them, as cheaply as possible. As a result, in many areas hard-boiled skills fail to develop, as there is no healthy cross-fertilization between theory and practice, education and industry. I have seen this happening in research and software business, I am afraid it is not just an issue with art...

[Pixelkh]

Depends on yourself I would say. You can definitely use the learning environment to your advantage - but if you're driven enough, or get lucky with a job early, then you can self-educate. At the end art-directors look at your portfolio - not at any paper with a degree.

I was more wondering what education concept artists here would have had. I'm not really interested in any art degree myself at the moment. Maybe in future, if I do have an income.

Where are you living?
See my links above... some of those groups are around Leeuwarden. Then there is of course lots of stuff in Amsterdam - especially if you are flexible about the kind of art. There is also an active concept drawing group in Breda that I've seen... but I would have to search for a link.

I'm from around Leiden, Leiden Centraal is only 15 minutes from here. Amsterdam, Rotterdam and The Hague are okay to travel to. There are places around here that do art, though well, it's above budget or inconvenient. Or places where it's just contemporary art, modern art.

[ashess]

I'm from an animation background myself- living in Amsterdam. I cannot speak for the concept art industry, but there is definitely a problem in tv and film. Offers for 3-minutes animations I have had (from professionals) usually are about 150-250 euro. This is for doing a whole project, adding sound and everything. Now, I've done my calculations and doing projects like this in a pleasant way would be about 4 weeks work.
Of course, there are corners to cut, etc. etc. 2 weeks should be possible but not much less. Let’s say one actually manages this in 2 normal, 40 hour weeks, you'd receive 250/80 = 3.1 euro an hour.
That’s a 17-yrs old minimum pay here. oh, and did I just completely forget about taxes? sorry, I guess after btw, social benefits taxes and whatnot, it would be half that.

I'm not sure how this situation came around; I suspect the way the public tv is financed and divided may have something to do with only margins of pay getting to creating the actual programs. I do, however, suspect that our education system is largely responsible for this system staying possible.

Case in point, my own school, the HKU. They have a professional bureau that takes on freelance jobs. They put on those jobs a professional manager (the person will call himself a teacher sometimes, but does not act like this), and have students work under them. The 'managers' are paid by the school, e.a. tax-money, the students get studying-points. That’s 0, but it gets you to completing your education.

There are some rules to the commissions; they have to be relevant for students to learn from. The commissions have to cost, I think 40% minimum of what a real professional would ask. Stuff like that. But honestly, with a real manager on the projects, risks to clients are nil, and you get a crazy good deal for your money.

Actually, I don't really understand how this is legal at all, still, this kind of puts us graduates out of business.