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    Hey there, is there anyone from the neighbourhood of Doetinchem? It might be a too small town but I hope to find some people to get weekly meet-ups with. If there is anyone please leave a message or pm.


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    Hey guys 'n gals. I'll be sketching at the Naturalis museum on a saturday or sunday somewhere in the next few weeks. Looks like they have awesome stuffed animals / skeletons to draw: http://www.naturalis.nl/nl/het-museu...oonstellingen/.

    Let me know if you're interested in joining me and we'll work out a date.

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    Teylers museum in Haarlem is showing a collection of drawings by Raphael. This might be even more interresting to do first, since it's temporary. Anyone up for this?

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    I'm up!
    Can probably shift work around, so I'm most likely flexible when it comes to picking a date.

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    Hey what a nice thread anyone near den haag?

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    ja we moeten wel weer eens een meeting houden vind ik

    Ik woon helaas niet in de buurt van Den Haag.

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    dat zou best wel geweldig zijn ja niemand die ik ken in de buurt heeft iets met tekenen :/
    niet dat ik zo geweldig ben, maar het gaat om het idee

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    iemand zin in een sketchmeet?

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    Another Dutchie (no pun intended) here...

    Gentle bump one year after the last post.
    Sketchbook .....critique appreciated

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    This thread looks like a desert, with annual postings?

    Is this because concept art is essentially dead in The Netherlands?
    It has started to grow, people are just catching up?
    It is kicking and alive, people just don't hang around in conceptart.org?
    It was just getting somewhere, but the crisis made it come to a grinding halt?
    There are no jobs, just a lot of people trying to find one?
    There are jobs, but there is no talent?
    Everybody is having a blast, it is just another glitch of conceptart.org?

    Let's try to sort this out...
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    Has concept art ever been alive in the Netherlands? I wonder how useful those Game Art & Design degrees they give here actually are. As those are the closest thing to concept art, I think.

    I don't really know where to go. It's mostly just too expensive or inconvenient for me to join things. The last time I've had a conversation with an artist was quite a few years ago. Did try to teach and motivate a friend who wanted to learn. That didn't work out.

    I'd love to meet other artists.

    I do know about figure drawing classes. But those are at least an hour travelling and I don't have the funds to go there on a consistent basis. For now I just take train trips and draw there because that's free for me anyways.

    I wonder, do you draw from life in public. If so, what kind of places?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eezacque@xs4all.nl View Post
    This thread looks like a desert, with annual postings?
    Is this because concept art is essentially dead in The Netherlands?
    I dunno, there are quite a lot of good concept artists in the Netherlands. It's more that this forum here is not so central anymore. Facebook groups took over a lot I would think.
    Check here for the "Dutch Concept Artists group"
    Then there is the "Dutch Sketch Meet" ... which had a meeting like a month ago in Utrecht, but is quite inactive otherwise.
    And I go nearly weekly to the "Draw Club" in Amsterdam. Not really conceptart specific - more like just some people drawing together. Lots of Animators there.
    Another Dutch community (I don't use yet, but seems cool) "Team Awesome"

    I'm not even into tumblr and this modern crazy stuff So I'm sure there is more to be found.

    There are no jobs, just a lot of people trying to find one?
    There are jobs, but there is no talent?
    Well, I would say (as being concept freelancer here myself): One can manage to get around. But there are not many jobs. Companies tend to hire only student interns, and fire them when it's done. I actually think it's one reason the industry here is stuck at a low quality level. There is definitely a brain-drain.

    The indie industry is bustling though - I think there are opportunities.

    Let's try to sort this out...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pixelkh View Post
    Has concept art ever been alive in the Netherlands? I wonder how useful those Game Art & Design degrees they give here actually are. As those are the closest thing to concept art, I think.
    Depends on yourself I would say. You can definitely use the learning environment to your advantage - but if you're driven enough, or get lucky with a job early, then you can self-educate. At the end art-directors look at your portfolio - not at any paper with a degree.

    I'd love to meet other artists.
    ...those are at least an hour travelling
    Where are you living?
    See my links above... some of those groups are around Leeuwarden. Then there is of course lots of stuff in Amsterdam - especially if you are flexible about the kind of art. There is also an active concept drawing group in Breda that I've seen... but I would have to search for a link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Veil View Post
    Companies tend to hire only student interns, and fire them when it's done. I actually think it's one reason the industry here is stuck at a low quality level. There is definitely a brain-drain.
    I am not sure whether it is cause or consequence: the Dutch have never had any entertainment industry worth mentioning, or any other industry. The emphasis is very much on services, which means that many companies are relying heavily on management and consultancy, and are hiring skills only when they need them, as cheaply as possible. As a result, in many areas hard-boiled skills fail to develop, as there is no healthy cross-fertilization between theory and practice, education and industry. I have seen this happening in research and software business, I am afraid it is not just an issue with art...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Veil View Post
    Depends on yourself I would say. You can definitely use the learning environment to your advantage - but if you're driven enough, or get lucky with a job early, then you can self-educate. At the end art-directors look at your portfolio - not at any paper with a degree.
    I was more wondering what education concept artists here would have had. I'm not really interested in any art degree myself at the moment. Maybe in future, if I do have an income.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Veil View Post
    Where are you living?
    See my links above... some of those groups are around Leeuwarden. Then there is of course lots of stuff in Amsterdam - especially if you are flexible about the kind of art. There is also an active concept drawing group in Breda that I've seen... but I would have to search for a link.
    I'm from around Leiden, Leiden Centraal is only 15 minutes from here. Amsterdam, Rotterdam and The Hague are okay to travel to. There are places around here that do art, though well, it's above budget or inconvenient. Or places where it's just contemporary art, modern art.

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    I'm from an animation background myself- living in Amsterdam. I cannot speak for the concept art industry, but there is definitely a problem in tv and film. Offers for 3-minutes animations I have had (from professionals) usually are about 150-250 euro. This is for doing a whole project, adding sound and everything. Now, I've done my calculations and doing projects like this in a pleasant way would be about 4 weeks work.
    Of course, there are corners to cut, etc. etc. 2 weeks should be possible but not much less. Let’s say one actually manages this in 2 normal, 40 hour weeks, you'd receive 250/80 = 3.1 euro an hour.
    That’s a 17-yrs old minimum pay here. oh, and did I just completely forget about taxes? sorry, I guess after btw, social benefits taxes and whatnot, it would be half that.

    I'm not sure how this situation came around; I suspect the way the public tv is financed and divided may have something to do with only margins of pay getting to creating the actual programs. I do, however, suspect that our education system is largely responsible for this system staying possible.

    Case in point, my own school, the HKU. They have a professional bureau that takes on freelance jobs. They put on those jobs a professional manager (the person will call himself a teacher sometimes, but does not act like this), and have students work under them. The 'managers' are paid by the school, e.a. tax-money, the students get studying-points. That’s 0, but it gets you to completing your education.

    There are some rules to the commissions; they have to be relevant for students to learn from. The commissions have to cost, I think 40% minimum of what a real professional would ask. Stuff like that. But honestly, with a real manager on the projects, risks to clients are nil, and you get a crazy good deal for your money.

    Actually, I don't really understand how this is legal at all, still, this kind of puts us graduates out of business.
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