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    Question Help! I don't get this (loomis)

    So like I'm studying loomis, doing skull studies started with the side view and now when I try to take what I learned from doing the side view to the 3/4 front (or w/e its called) view, I get confused with the jaw line, like on the side view it clearly goes along the middle line of the head but on that 3/4 front view its like way to the left of that line, whats up with that?

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    Not even Loomis is a god?

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    guide...line.

    Combined with actual observation will compensate for the errors in loomis.

    Basically, look in a mirror. Draw it.

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    I may not be the best person to answer this and I don't think I understand your question, but here goes nothing.

    If I understand correctly your wondering why the actual jawline in not exactly on the middle of the skull? This is because doesnt start exactly in the middle of the cranium, and because the jawbone shifts a little forward because it it's shape. I tried to illustrate this: (please forgive the terrible mouse drawing skills )
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    Have a look at where exactly the jawline starts in relation to the top of the skull and how the jaw actually bends forward.

    Hope that helped.

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    i'm not sure i understand what you're trying to accomplish, but i suspect your issues have to to with translating vague rules of thumb into strict commandments.

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    Let me clarify when studying the last two skulls in that image, I feel comfortable to use the middle line as a guide to place my jaw just like on the picture but when I try to do studies of the upper two skulls I feel confused when I'm about to place my jaw line, the nose, the eyes and chin feels somewhat understandable to translate into the new view but not the jaw so... yea w/e

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    [edit] you wont get away without studying the principles of perspective.
    once you got those its an easy one to construct the point youre looking for.

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    If the reference material is confusing, you can find more references.

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    If you don't understand how to draw a divided ball or plane in perspective, then Loomis' divided ball and plane technique for constructing the head isn't going to do you much good.


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    You're doing fine so just keep at it - Loomis is just a good place to start...not to end up (his finished drawings and paintings are great, I'm not saying that). Just saying don't get caught up in the minutiae (that has to be worth points) of every little constructive system...use them to understand the principles and move on to working from life - the sooner the better.

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    Alright thanks for the replies people, I know thats its not law to follow it but it felt good to have some sort of easy to understand guideline to set up construction so you know where to set the key features even in perspective, to bad the jaw made me confused ^^

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