Loomis Books

Join 500,000+ Artists

Its' free and it takes less than 10 seconds!

Join the #1 Art Workshop - LevelUpJoin Premium Art Workshop

Results 1 to 25 of 25

Thread: Loomis Books

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Hull, England, United Kingdom
    Posts
    149
    Thanks
    25
    Thanked 22 Times in 22 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Loomis Books

    I just downloaded these PDFs because I couldn't find the actual books anywhere, wondering which order I should read them in and which are the most useful to a beginner who is trying to learn to draw, or should I wait until I'm a little better?

    - Creative Illustration
    - Figure Drawing For All It's Worth
    - Fun With A Pencil
    - Eye Of The Painter (I don't plan on painting until my drawings are better)
    - Successful Drawing

    My Sketch Book: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...=1#post3085866

    Please comment+critique
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  


  2. Hide this ad by registering as a member
  3. The Following User Says Thank You to SemperOne For This Useful Post:


  4. #2
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Hull, England, United Kingdom
    Posts
    149
    Thanks
    25
    Thanked 22 Times in 22 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Just a bump before bed and hope for a reply in morning, please, anyone who has read these books by Loomis give me some insight before I waste my hours away that could be spent drawing (very slow reader)

    My Sketch Book: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...=1#post3085866

    Please comment+critique
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  5. The Following User Says Thank You to SemperOne For This Useful Post:


  6. #3
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Singapore
    Posts
    1,527
    Thanks
    6,808
    Thanked 348 Times in 275 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Thumbs up

    Quote Originally Posted by SemperOne View Post
    I just downloaded these PDFs because I couldn't find the actual books anywhere, wondering which order I should read them in and which are the most useful to a beginner who is trying to learn to draw, or should I wait until I'm a little better?

    - Creative Illustration
    - Figure Drawing For All It's Worth
    - Fun With A Pencil
    - Eye Of The Painter (I don't plan on painting until my drawings are better)
    - Successful Drawing
    I would say start with Successful Drawing first, then Figure drawing for all it's worth, then Eye of the painter and lastly Creative Illustration.

    I think its best to complement Successful Drawing with a good and easy book on perspective, like Ernest Norling's "Perspective made easy". Reason being Loomis straight away jumps into the more advanced perspective principles which is daunting. And the perspective theories in Successful Drawing is really intense.

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  7. #4
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Haifa, Israel
    Posts
    4,055
    Thanks
    2,336
    Thanked 2,302 Times in 1,414 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    In this order:

    Fun With A Pencil / Successful Drawing
    Figure Drawing For All It's Worth / Drawing Head and Hands.
    Creative Illustration

    Eye Of The Painter is more about art theory than technique.

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  8. #5
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    Montreal, QC
    Posts
    1,007
    Thanks
    333
    Thanked 220 Times in 183 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Yep, you should start with - Fun With A Pencil... ut teach you important stuff about structure and form before stressing you too much with getting realistic proportions, it still covers it but later in the book, and you should transition to the other books like arenhaus said.

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  9. #6
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Taipei, Taiwan
    Posts
    141
    Thanks
    38
    Thanked 303 Times in 45 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    The Andrew Loomis books are currently being reprinted.

    Figure Drawing for All it's Worth is being released late next month
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/085...?tag=parblo-20

    Drawing the Heads and Hands in October
    http://www.amazon.com/Drawing-Head-H...d_bxgy_b_img_b

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  10. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to KEM720 For This Useful Post:


  11. #7
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Hull, England, United Kingdom
    Posts
    149
    Thanks
    25
    Thanked 22 Times in 22 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Just started the fun with a pencil book, and I feel like I'm stuck at the first hurdle, drawing the funny character heads, all the ones copied from the book just look wonky and out of proportion, and if I try to make my own I just get lost on which lines to erase etc.

    I'm beginning to wonder if I could ever even become an artist

    My Sketch Book: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...=1#post3085866

    Please comment+critique
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  12. #8
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    Montreal, QC
    Posts
    1,007
    Thanks
    333
    Thanked 220 Times in 183 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Just try to understand what he is trying to explain with all these examples, and do your best. You may not understand everything now, but with time and practice it will start to make more sense. Its ok to make mistake dont get discouraged. I covered at least 2 sketchbooks with only stick figures before i started to understand what it was worth.. i was frustrated because i could not draw these stick figures as well as loomis.. dont struggle too much with the accuracy of the line of the ''block-in'' or construction.. in a sense its only meant to be a guide, so dont get crazy erasing too much stuff.. draw lightly and keep copying the drawings from the book.

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  13. The Following User Says Thank You to VirgL For This Useful Post:


  14. #9
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Singapore
    Posts
    1,527
    Thanks
    6,808
    Thanked 348 Times in 275 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Thumbs up

    Quote Originally Posted by SemperOne View Post
    Just started the fun with a pencil book, and I feel like I'm stuck at the first hurdle, drawing the funny character heads, all the ones copied from the book just look wonky and out of proportion, and if I try to make my own I just get lost on which lines to erase etc.
    I wonder if you should even start on Loomis' books in the first place.
    IMO, I think it's better to just draw from life and get those basic drawing books first before starting on any of Loomis' books including Fun with a pencil.

    "Fun with a pencil" may look simple and easy for beginners but its' not.

    The part on the ball / plane method on drawing the head in that book requires a super solid understanding of perspective which I myself is still shaky at this moment. Those parts where he adds those smaller forms to the cartoon heads requires a good understanding of form and structure. The drawing of those cartoony clothes requires understanding of drapery.
    Cartooning and stylization is a step after realistic drawing, not the other way round.

    Because he teaches mostly cartoon drawing in that book, and if you don't have a good understanding of realistic drawing from life and you jump straight into stylizing your drawings as cartoons by copying from his books, you may end up not knowing what you're doing.

    Better to draw and study from life at this stage as your first priority, and if you want, play with that book in your spare time. Just my 2 cents because I encountered this same issue before. You're feeling discouraged because Loomis' books are too advanced for you and thus you end up feeling drawing isn't for you. Wrong! Try "Keys to drawing" or "Drawing with your artists' brain" (Carl Purcell).

    I checked out your SB but the images don't show up, so I dunno what level you're, but you could very well be on the level of folks like Arenhaus or Jeff or DPaint or Joe Kubert, and if that's the case, I eat back all my words. LOL
    (it's always like this: people come to CA to say they can't draw and when I check out their SB, their works are professional grade LOL! Better to advise with caution)

    I'm beginning to wonder if I could ever even become an artist
    I quote Sheldon: "The only way to fail is to quit".
    If you quit now, you have zero hopes of becoming an artist.

    Good luck,
    Xeon

    Last edited by Xeon_OND; April 5th, 2011 at 09:10 PM.
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  15. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Xeon_OND For This Useful Post:


  16. #10
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    3
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Loomis Books

    Start with Fun with a Pencil. Figure drawing for all it's worth, Drawing head and hands, sucesfull drawing. Creative illustration,then Eye of the painter. In using fun with the pencil don't copy as much as use his guidelines to work from memory. another good book is perard anatomy and drawing and vanderpool's book on drawing. Just using perard and loomis I am working on being able to draw the figure in any position from memory . Look at mentlers work on this site as it is full of good information. Do hope they republish loomis' books so they will get into the hands of people that can use them without being ripped off paying collector prices for needed information.

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  17. #11
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Hull, England, United Kingdom
    Posts
    149
    Thanks
    25
    Thanked 22 Times in 22 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by Xeon_OND View Post

    I checked out your SB but the images don't show up, so I dunno what level you're, but you could very well be on the level of folks like Arenhaus or Jeff or DPaint or Joe Kubert, and if that's the case, I eat back all my words. LOL
    (it's always like this: people come to CA to say they can't draw and when I check out their SB, their works are professional grade LOL! Better to advise with caution)


    I quote Sheldon: "The only way to fail is to quit".
    If you quit now, you have zero hopes of becoming an artist.

    Good luck,
    Xeon
    Thanks a lot for the motivational quote haha, I put the book down and did a few more life drawings and im feeling uplifted again, I will wait until I'm ready for Loomis I guess, and yeah a lot of the forum is messing up for me tonight, most images aint loading, I'm definitely not above average haha, I know what you mean about amazing artists putting themselves down, here's a link to a sketch I did earlier that I'm satisfied with, keep in mind I've only been practicing for a week or so

    http://i53.tinypic.com/311mkpt.jpg

    My Sketch Book: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...=1#post3085866

    Please comment+critique
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  18. The Following User Says Thank You to SemperOne For This Useful Post:


  19. #12
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Singapore
    Posts
    1,527
    Thanks
    6,808
    Thanked 348 Times in 275 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0

    Thumbs up

    Saw that drawing of the hand. Not bad considering you've only drawn for a week! If it's any consolation, I wasn't even anywhere close when I first started out.

    It's best to start with simple still life objects (boxes, books etc.) and then slowly proceed to more organic-looking objects (shoes, leaf, flower) and then take it on from there.

    Just make sure to study perspective as well. Seedling here has a Perspective 101 thread. Try searching for it.

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  20. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Xeon_OND For This Useful Post:


  21. #13
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Maine
    Posts
    101
    Thanks
    41
    Thanked 22 Times in 16 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    I did Fun with a Pencil first then Successful Drawing and I think it works best that way because you get a reminder to have fun drawing while your doing studies. Xeon is right, the perspective techniques in Successful Drawing can get daunting but they are extremely valuable to add to your skill set.

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  22. The Following User Says Thank You to ArcZephyer For This Useful Post:


  23. #14
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    New York, NY, USA 10002
    Posts
    883
    Thanks
    800
    Thanked 305 Times in 212 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Don't read them page by page, use them for reference. Chances are you will be going back over and over again anyway because you forgot something. Also, Loomis doesn't use perfect English in the jotted notes, so reading it page to page might not be wise. Scroll through the PDF until you find something related to what you want to find out about and read it.

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  24. The Following User Says Thank You to Vay For This Useful Post:


  25. #15
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Northern California
    Posts
    5,234
    Thanks
    3,512
    Thanked 4,899 Times in 2,544 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by Vay View Post
    Don't read them page by page, use them for reference. Chances are you will be going back over and over again anyway because you forgot something. Also, Loomis doesn't use perfect English in the jotted notes, so reading it page to page might not be wise. Scroll through the PDF until you find something related to what you want to find out about and read it.
    Have to disagree - the best thing Loomis offers is his opening and closing chats...and that's saying something because the rest of it is great too. But make sure to read what he has to say.

    What would Caravaggio do?
    _________________________

    Portfolio
    Plein Air
    Digital
    Still Life
    Sight Measuring
    Fundamentals
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  26. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to JeffX99 For This Useful Post:


  27. #16
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Singapore
    Posts
    1,527
    Thanks
    6,808
    Thanked 348 Times in 275 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by JeffX99 View Post
    Have to disagree - the best thing Loomis offers is his opening and closing chats...and that's saying something because the rest of it is great too. But make sure to read what he has to say.
    LOL, I never get sick of reading his opening chats. It is so inspiring and heart-warming to read that I can almost felt he was right beside me with his arm over my shoulder.

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  28. The Following User Says Thank You to Xeon_OND For This Useful Post:


  29. #17
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Lisbon, I think...
    Posts
    912
    Thanks
    69
    Thanked 153 Times in 107 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by KEM720 View Post
    The Andrew Loomis books are currently being reprinted.

    Figure Drawing for All it's Worth is being released late next month
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/085...?tag=parblo-20

    Drawing the Heads and Hands in October
    http://www.amazon.com/Drawing-Head-H...d_bxgy_b_img_b
    Nice! It's finally happening, can't believe it yet.

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  30. #18
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Washington, US
    Posts
    1,194
    Thanks
    1,571
    Thanked 716 Times in 343 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    I already pre-ordered my figure drawing one back in March or so.

    My Sketchbook

    And then God said, "Let us make man in our likeness and our image. Let us make him ridiculously hard to draw so that poor artists everywhere will have to spend 10,000+ hours failing repeatedly before they can begin to capture the form and likeness onto a two-dimensional surface." And there was man. And it was good. And artists everywhere lost their minds.
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  31. The Following User Says Thank You to manlybrian For This Useful Post:


  32. #19
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Bournemouth, England
    Posts
    263
    Thanks
    149
    Thanked 71 Times in 42 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    *necro*

    I just got my copy, so excited to finally have it hardback. Says on amazon it wont release until the 27th but it arrived today so *does happy dance* It's a lot bigger than I thought as well O.O

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  33. The Following User Says Thank You to ErikStorstein For This Useful Post:


  34. #20
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    193
    Thanks
    79
    Thanked 41 Times in 21 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by Zilrion View Post
    *necro*

    I just got my copy, so excited to finally have it hardback. Says on amazon it wont release until the 27th but it arrived today so *does happy dance* It's a lot bigger than I thought as well O.O
    Can you post pics? I have a copy I made myself but I'd like to see what this official reprinting is like.

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  35. #21
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    uk, Lundan
    Posts
    378
    Thanks
    30
    Thanked 80 Times in 72 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  36. #22
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Ottawa, Canada
    Posts
    2,906
    Thanks
    254
    Thanked 1,196 Times in 870 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    So does this mean all the sites we sent beginners to so they can download the books won't be online any more (or even if they are, site rules would forbid us providing links)? Much as I like the idea of having physical copies I'm afraid it might be just that slight bit harder to help artists just starting out get to the information they need.

    The Nezumi Works Sketchbook - Now in progress

    My online portfolio

    Bloggity blog

    "Skill is the result of trying again and again, applying our ability and proving our knowledge as we gain it. Let us get used to throwing away the unsuccessful effort and doing the job over. Let us consider obstacles as something to be expected in any endeavor; then they won't seem quite so insurmountable or so defeating." - Andrew Loomis
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  37. #23
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    Hudson River valley, NY
    Posts
    16,212
    Thanks
    4,879
    Thanked 16,669 Times in 5,020 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by megaten View Post
    Can you post pics? I have a copy I made myself but I'd like to see what this official reprinting is like.
    It looks like a real book. This is what everybody has been begging for for the past ten years, fer chrissakes. Don't be a cheapskate, buy it.


    Tristan Elwell
    **Finished Work Thread **Process Thread **Edges Tutorial

    Crash Course for Artists, Illustrators, and Cartoonists, NYC, the 2013 Edition!

    "Work is more fun than fun."
    -John Cale

    "Art is supposed to punch you in the brain, and it's supposed to stay punched."
    -Marc Maron
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  38. #24
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Bournemouth, England
    Posts
    263
    Thanks
    149
    Thanked 71 Times in 42 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    It looks like a real book. This is what everybody has been begging for for the past ten years, fer chrissakes. Don't be a cheapskate, buy it.
    Indeed, it's a very nice print!
    Here's some pictures as requested:
    Name:  pic1.jpg
Views: 712
Size:  436.9 KB
    Name:  pic2.jpg
Views: 712
Size:  362.0 KB
    Name:  pic3.jpg
Views: 715
Size:  286.1 KB

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

  39. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to ErikStorstein For This Useful Post:


  40. #25
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    193
    Thanks
    79
    Thanked 41 Times in 21 Posts
    Follows
    0
    Following
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by Zilrion View Post
    Indeed, it's a very nice print!
    Here's some pictures as requested:
    Okay that looks amazing. Gonna have to get that a soon as possible.

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote  

Members who have read this thread: 1

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •