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    The "10,000 Hour Rule" Is Pop-Psychology Nonsense

    There, I said it.

    Malcolm Gladwell is to Sociology what Betty Edwards is to Neuroscience.

    There are PLENTY of skills that don't take 10,000 hours to master. (I would be more than willing to believe that observational drawing and basic painting would fall into that category).

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    Both of those you mentioned take a LIFETIME to master, IE you're dead before you get there. If you have another mindset about that, look in to another profession.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timpaatkins View Post
    Both of those you mentioned take a LIFETIME to master, IE you're dead before you get there. If you have another mindset about that, look in to another profession.
    Van Gogh's career spanned the 10 years between when he starting practicing art in earnest around age 27 'til he offed himself with a badly placed revolver shot at the age of 37.

    Ten years ain't a lifetime!

    Though, I anticipate in advance that many would challenge Van Gogh's status as a "master!"
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    isn't it obvious? Humans aren't mass produced. Everybody is custom made. Some will master it in 1000 hrs some will never. Not everybody can do everything, no matter how much he works on it or how badly he wants it. We are too influenced by how we were raised and by the stuff we learned before we could read and write.
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    I always thought of that as just an expression, I dont think you can put a count down timer on this sorta thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Incinerated View Post
    I always thought of that as just an expression, I dont think you can put a count down timer on this sorta thing.
    Fair enough, but Gladwell has anointed this with the veneer of science. And, it keeps getting parroted like it has actual quantitative value. I call Bullshit on it!

    [I believe the study Gladwell was bastardizing, second hand, involved musicians. 'twould appear to be an "apples to oranges" thing from the get-go!]
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    I know, right. Ask any really good artist how he got to be so good and he'll reply, "Shoot, it's just talent. I don't even practice or nothing. Comes out my fingers like magic."
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    Quote Originally Posted by timpaatkins View Post
    Both of those you mentioned take a LIFETIME to master, IE you're dead before you get there. If you have another mindset about that, look in to another profession.
    Well, to a large extent, we really have to come to terms-- something Gladwell is notoriously slippery about doing.

    I would agree that there is a difference amongst "fundamental mastery of basic skills," being an "expert" in a given field, and being a "Great Master" of a discipline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bfowler View Post
    I know, right. Ask any really good artist how he got to be so good and he'll reply, "Shoot, it's just talent. I don't even practice or nothing. Comes out my fingers like magic."
    Well, that's another school of thought. Kind of like having an IQ of 180 or being 6'4" tall-- just a "gift from God."

    What, then, of this 10,000 hour stuff?
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    You know reading the book, the 10,000 hour rule is only a small part of what he thinks it takes to be successful. Much of it is timing and emotional intelligence. He has many factors he sites for this, much of it ancedotal but interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dpaint View Post
    You know reading the book, the 10,000 hour rule is only a small part of what he thinks it takes to be successful. Much of it is timing and emotional intelligence. He has many factors he sites for this, much of it ancedotal but interesting.
    I would say ALL of Gladwell's "work" is anecdotal!
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    I'm sure there's a guy on deviantArt who's put in 9,999 hours into his Sonic/Naruto fanart... any minute now - POP! - he will be velazquez

    that's how it works, right?
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