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    Hello all!

    Since a couple of years I'm drawing a lot. But mainly cartoon art (http://www.mitchleeuwe.nl). However I never did an art education nore learned much about realistic drawing. Now it's my goal to learn more about "realistic drawing". When I saw this threads section I really wanted to start an own thread, where I can post all kinds of studies.

    Critiques are always welcome, encouraged and much appreciated.

    For start I made these 2 drawings. The skull comes from a study I'm doing (drawing the human figure from the mind). I didn't finish it all yet, I've just finished learning all the bones I'm now learning the muscles. I got the poses from posemaniacs.

    Do you all think I'm on the right track or not?

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    I would say so. It's a great start. You have a lot of fluidity in your figures. Only thing I'd recommend is looking at is jaw structure - the teeth/mouth seem a bit off. Keep it up!

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    Made some new studies. Does anyone have suggestions what I should study?

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    not a bad start, altho i reckon if you're trying to learn "realistic" drawing you should do some more slow studies. the quick gestures you're doing will make your figures look more expressive, but won't help you draw realistically - they still look very cartoony. if you wanna shake your cartoon habits, you gotta do studies.

    maybe also have a look at "drawing on the right side of the brain" by betty edwards, it's a book all about shaking old habits and learning how to see properly. very good, if a bit long-winded.
    another great reference is andrew loomis. he's very technical, but teaches a correct professional way of drawing. which you already do in a way, he might just give you some extra ideas.

    i'd probably also leave colour and value for now, and focus on learning anatomical shapes. no need to memorize all the bones and muscles, you'll learn them anyway while you're drawing hundreds of studies. it's more important to understand the shapes the muscles create in different poses.

    have fun, keep drawing! and remember that drawing = seeing

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    Hey there, great start you got there.

    Not much to say, since others have said it.., keep drawing, that's the only way to get good at this.., also, even though studies are great, don't forget about doing some drawings from imagination, try to focus on applying what you've learned into them.

    Keep at it!

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    Thanks for all the feedback! It's really encouraging and helps me on what I should practice.

    I made some new study's. A while back I did some Andrew Loomis study's, I also posted that one. The last drawing I did is the one with the faces, I really suck at them. Do you know some place where I can find some more reference photo's? I already using some magazines.

    Thinking now about making some landscape/composition study's.

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    Some doodles I just made. I really looked allot at creature box art for these doodles, some are "copy's" and others are more own versions in the same style.

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    Made some figure drawings (this time not in PS but with a pencil), tried holding my pencil different than normal. Seeing it back now after a couple of hours im not that happy with it anymore. Do you think I'm still on the right track? Or should I try a different approach. Thnks.

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    Trying some new render styles.

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    Practice, practice... still fun. Planning to make a figure drawing in grey tones, to learn a bit about values.

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    Hey, nice update..., your digital rendering is coming along nicely.. and your doodles and gestures aswel, don't worry about not being "happy" with the results..., keep doing them and you'll get there... besides, you got some pretty good poses in there.. Next time, try to mix it up a bit and have some people jumping around and stuff.

    Keep updating!

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    Thanks Fernandoart, yeah you're right!

    Here's some new stuff and a new approach.

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    Focusing a lot on figure drawing and anatomy. My goal is to make my own poses and characters from imagination.

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    Some new drawings. Thinking about doing something else next time, maybe I should take some distance from characters and focus more on backgrounds and composition.

    I've find it hard to draw from live (like the head study's), I have less problems with drawing from photo's etc.

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    Mitchoo, you've been a drawing machine the last several days. I checked out your website and it seems your cartooning skills are helping a lot with the transition towards more realism in your sketchbook. Your website has some professional work. Are you wanting to go into illustration and concept art? Also, where are you from?

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    Hey Spivak, cool that you dropped by

    I really like doing both (cartoons and concept art), I really love doing cartoons/illustrations but also wants to learn how to draw concept art. I guess because I drew the last years constantly cartoons, I now want a little break (i'm not stopt entirely) from cartoon drawing. I think it will helps me getting better. Although sometimes I think that I just should focus on 1 thing. I can get freelance work, but if I apply for a job they always ask for more realistic work.

    I'm from Holland, living in the small city Leeuwarden in the north. I grew up near Amsterdam but for college I went to Leeuwarden. It's quiet and cheap, it gives me really the opportunity to draw a lot.

    Here is some new stuff, I wanted to make a big drawing. I want to make something like that in perspective but I think I should use a 3D program for that to set it up:

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    Maybe I need to move to Holland. I live in San Diego, California with several roomates and its a noisy life. After work I need to get to my room where its quiet and I can draw in peace. I'm glad I've met you. Its given me more motivation the last week.

    Anyway, I mentioned in our sketchgroup I'd give you more info on head drawing. I did an attempt at a semirealistic head from the imagination. You can see many mistakes in it, but these are good for learning. I hope you can improve on this. The head drawings in your sketchbook I think are the right idea. For realism you just have to go the extra step and have really good rendering and proportions. What do you think?

    By the way I like your new environment sketch. Are you going to try and paint it?

    Let me know if you want me to delete this post as it takes up a lot of room.

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    @Spivak, thanks man, those look great! You're right, i made some new head studies:






    Sucks that the attachments doesn't work anymore

    Still waiting on the book from Burne Hogarth... Need it to study the figure.

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    Some new stuff. Tried some more painting in PS, anyone some good tips?

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    Dude, amazing updates! The studies are excellent! Maybe is time for you to try and do a full body shot, with some values aswel, and see how you're doing overall, don't you think?

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    @Fernandoart

    Thanks! Glad you like it Yeah you're right. Need to push myself and try something hard, like a full body shot. Do you mean from the mind or from reference? And with values you mean only grey tones right? It's hard to keep coming up with the best things to study.

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    Hi mitchoo, you have some really great stuff and your studies are coming along nicely. I see you asked for places to find references, well there is a great section of the forum that has some, especially at the top. http://conceptart.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=30

    also there is a great gesture drawing tool called www.pixelovely.com.

    Hope this helps!

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    hey man,great start. I think your strength seems to lie in construction so far- i can see you can turn out a pretty decent coloured portrait but i don't think it looks like you,perhaps read up more on translating what you see to the page? :3

    keep up the pace,i love the school ground perspective drawing.

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    Hey Mitch, I just meant a full body shot, you pic your poison (referenced or from imagination)..., and yes, when I said values, I meant just throw in a few grey tones to add volume to the piece.. that's all.

    Can't wait

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    Thanks all! Great feedback!

    I think I will use photo's of environments to learn how to draw environments. Copy them, learn from them. Good idea?

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    Sunday, worked some more on the drawing I started on last week.

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    Worked on this today, I hope I am still on the right track.

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    Great study work. I think it is great know about the basics

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    New stuff. Trying to do as much tutorials and exercises as possible. Trying to analyse how other artist have developed. Does anyone have some tips on what I should focus/learn first?

    I'm planning for tomorrow more figure drawing from reference.

    Lighting tutorial im doing: the peer project

    *Yeah Book from Burne Hogarth "dynamic figure drawing" was delivered today!

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    hey,cool to see a dutch guy around here where exactly do you live in the netherlands?

    i like how you are researching every aspect a little bit at the moment, with emphasis on anatomy. i noticed the drawing of the bird eye view with the cars and houses and all that. one of the most basic ways of creating a pleasing composition is the use of overlap. not only that, it also helps with the illusion of depth. i noticed at that drawing the almost complete lack of overlap.
    Also, it would help the composition not to even all the objects out in the composition. what i mean is, to cluster objects helps the composition. if you draw 2 guys near eachother it looks better then drawing them so that the space around them is devided perfectly. (hope that made sense)

    anyways, hope you understand what im saying, if not you can pm me.

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