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    Spirals dont know what to do next

    Hellooooo, I'm Spiralpen. All new account but not new to conceptart site as I spent a lot of time looming this site for inspiration and tips. Seems everyone that give advice to new people say "make a sketchbook" so here I am

    The real me is not a spiralpen, im not even quite sure what that is ,concept incoming?? No I am a 24 year old girl from Sweden who begrudginly have noticed that my slacking take on drawing has gotten me nowhere in four years, barely ANY progress! So now I have started serious by following some nice advice on this and other sites.

    Here first is a show of what I can draw without reference

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    Ok. Now that the scary is over... lately ive been trying to copy real good peoples drawings to train my hand and eye coordination.. so,

    HERE Is the original made by the amazing Dale Keown
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    And here is my own, it is made with my mechanical pencil, spiralpaper, taken with my mobile camera so the quality is pretty bad :/ need to get a scanner I think
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    And today I will probably copy some of those old masters, who I dunno I think I will pick on random
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    few hours later and after what felt like several frustrated hours, so it seems I will probably need to get more than one mechanical pencil to try to copy master? OR is it simply lack of skills on how to draw like them??

    Anyway, here is three photos taken of different stages of my copy drawing.

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    130 minutes
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    Here is the beautiful reference picture
    this is by Jean-Baptiste Greuze
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    u copied that pic like a scanner.. u captured it very well.. although if u took that pic with scanner im sure it would looked even better.. ^_^ .. keep them coming..
    i love to do everything and learn everything... i hate to be cornered in one place.. i believe u can be anything u want... Your mind is limitless... check out my sketchbook ... u will find a bit of everything

    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...d.php?t=203429

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    Thanks lots Yes scanner suddenly seems way more important

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    what I do for fuuun

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    bunch of these, I really needed a break from studying the masters art

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    I love love love the lips in that master study !! The hatching was so great too.. It looks amazing in it's own right.

    I also thought your recreation of that picture was killar too haha . Can't wait to see more from you.

    You must be studying a lot of Old Master's stuff at the moment? Is it helping you out quite a bit?

    Edit - Also, you do need a scanner!! You'll be so thankful when you get one lol. It saves so much hassle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterknife View Post
    I love love love the lips in that master study !! The hatching was so great too.. It looks amazing in it's own right.

    I also thought your recreation of that picture was killar too haha . Can't wait to see more from you.

    You must be studying a lot of Old Master's stuff at the moment? Is it helping you out quite a bit?

    Edit - Also, you do need a scanner!! You'll be so thankful when you get one lol. It saves so much hassle.
    Thanks soo much ! ofcourse since I sat too long with it all I see is the flaws I feel I should change

    Yes I feel like I spend a lot of time with master studies right now, but I do a lot of different things so it doesnt get so heavy, it really really helps, I read a forum thread from this really great artist and teacher who said that until you get good control of your hands you should copy drawings / paintings until you cant tell a difference between the two.. its helped me a ton with hair and noses, I'ts also a nice break from my books on drawing, sometimes those words just jumble together into a big mess

    Oki its decided, getting a scanner next week, hehe !

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    This is another master drawing copy, I tried to do this one a bit faster cause the lines were soo flowing
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    copied from this one, by Delacroix? I think? or the piece is called that, or .. its french for really nice done drawing?

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    Hey, thanks for dropping by my sketchbook and for the nice words I really like your style, the first piece is astounding. You've done superbly with that one and as for the other ones I think they're are all a wonderful start on your sketchbook!!. You've got an eye for detail and tracing it with your eyes. I think "recreating" other great pieces can be very useful in terms learning to understand what one is seeing. That is like the hidden code within art at it's core, to understand what one is seeing. Because when one understands, it is going to put all the pieces of the puzzle mystery together and anatomy, dynamic poses, balance, rendering and every other piece are going to come together. Everything is going to unfold more and more as you study more. Then one will be able to draw the unseen and in all different angles. By carefully learning to find ways to simplify shapes and measure them we can achieve anything. Primitives like the circle, the square and other shapes can be used to block in shapes, then they can be easily measured and lay the ground for say a character "No matter how much you draw, how skilled you get to be, how well trained your eye becomes, you will always have to begin by building the head correctly, just as a carpenter, no matter how long he has worked, always measures a board before he cuts it." - Andrew Loomis .You should check out Andrew Loomis and study his books if you haven't already. I'm studying his book fun with pencil at the moment and it gives you a lot to think about when drawing, no matter what the object is. Thanks once again for the nice words. Keep the studies up, sorry for the long rant LOL Är du svensk? Roligt isåfall?

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    Thank you so much yes that is exactly what I was thinking about why I keep doing this, it feels good you said all that cause now I feel even more like continuing with drawing this way. And I ment to say in your sketchbook but I love the town you made, it really looks so well made and the pizza sign keeps catching my attention, haha

    Och ja, jag e svensk ^^

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    You're most welcome! Glad to be of any help or encouragement I thank you the compliment, yeah the pizza sign is so big and it seems it fulfills it's purpose getting attention even in the real world hehe. I like your last one of Christ really much!! Good job! I wish you good luck on your journey and here's something to help you on the road, something that may be of great help Andrew Loomis books in pdf format: http://alexhays.com/loomis/

    Vad roligt med en till från Sverige, jag har inte träffat på någon från Sverige än, du är den första ^^ Jag lägger till dig på min friendslist. Har du möjligtvis deviant art också?

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    Thanks, awesome link Woho my first friend

    Ja jag har deviantart, jag har samma namn där Har bara varit där en typ vecka däremot och knappt inget är uppladdat, får jobba på det



    Ok so now I have done the hardest study so far, haands, and I haven o idea how he makes those nice lines?? it looks smooth at the same time as there are some really really fine lines, a totally new respect

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    MY DRAWING, forgot to time how long time it took, d'oh
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    Ok so I just drew from a photo, I could do basic lines but when it comes to shading I have no idea how to ??? But drawing is becoming less frustrating and more fun now!

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    I also used my Intuos 2, because soon I will get my ordered Intuos4 small So I want to use my old tablet as much as possible so that I wll be able to feel all the great differences when I get it.

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    I am tired of studying the masters, so I did something different today, and drew some hands and here is some of them

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    So this is what I am drawing right now, something dont look right with the hips, and well, everything else, ill see if I finish it or try with something else

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    ok finished, this took sooo long, I realise now after the fact that I should never have made the background in blackest black, it worked for the photograph obviously but definatly not for my drawing

    reference:
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    Okey so played with posemaniacs today and slines, going to try to do these both once a day, since it seems to be good practises and a good way to track my development.. or? I dunno, i feel blind as to what im suppose to do to improve at this point

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    This is what I have been drawing today , from my imagination , ok a little inspired by a certain movie ^^ I will try to finish it today or tomorrow.. maaaybe

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    I think it's all great . I have the same problem you do when it comes to lines lol, I'm going to try out those line exercises as well.

    Your recreation of the sculpture looked very nice as well . The posemaniac drawings were great, you could clearly see the gesture and everything! I'm also really liking the drawing from your imagination too.

    Earlier you mentioned this 'I read a forum thread from this really great artist and teacher who said that until you get good control of your hands you should copy drawings / paintings until you cant tell a difference between the two.'

    Can I ask if you remember where that thread was? That seems like good advice, as from what you've shown, your recreations are awesome.

    Keep up the good work !

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    Great sketchbook!
    Thanks for your comments and help!

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    @Butterknife

    Thanks a lot Glad to see you back and posting I was afraid you'd left !

    Yes I do I saved it as a bookmark, I really suggest doing master studies, cause if you really focus they will show you things you never thought about and then incorporate pieces of it in everything you do from there on out, at least I have noticed pieces of what I studied weasle its way into my latest drawings from imagination
    here you go
    http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthre...f=166&t=939978


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    Thaanks Keep the posts coming in your sketchbook!^^

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    Wow, really really nice illustrations


    Just a little critique:
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    Make sure you compare the shape of the negative spaces, it makes it easy to spot errors You can apply this to drawing from life and reference

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    Thanks a lot! that actually helped me, I cant belive I didnt notice that before, it feels really obvious now that you pointed it out



    Ok I "finished" it, I admit I messed up the background quite a lot, I dont know how to do backgrounds, aaagh

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    hello

    Just found your art! cool stuff great studies and pencil renders. Keep posting and keep drawing dude 'awesome'

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    @Dazzamataz Thanks a lot I feel nowhere near worth your comment though

    Ok so ...... I GOT MY INTUOS4 <- thats suppose to be me shouting, I wouldnt use caps if it wasnt really necessary (it is!)

    It is so much better, I feel like I lost some type of handicap, my old intuos2 had like scratches in them and stuff.. so, now I can finally draw some and get used to the new tablet, and since I forgot to do some lines and gestures I did some now, here is my lines and then a 45 posemaniac sketch, phew, those I am NOT ready for

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    yea i'm with saltfox here.. i guess you're on the right path, but while doing these exercises (which are great) i think you should focus more on proportions, spaces and directions than details.
    using negative space and decomposing big shapes into smaller ones (but not using grids or anything like that) are great tools to make your drawings look close to the reference and improve your perception..

    oh btw congratulations on your new intuos!
    haha i got me a intuos3 3 years ago so i'm still good, i'll probably just change mine when intuos5 or 6 come out.. (probably a touchscreen-virtual-reality-coffee-making tablet )
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    That sounds like pretty great advice, thats what I will do for all my drawings tomorrow, and I will post with how it turns out I was getting sort of lost in what I was suppose to try next
    Haha good idea with waiting, I will cry if they announce such a tablet next week ! I wonder what virtual coffee would taste like


    so, here is me trying to remember how to build like loomis from "figure drawing for all its worth" I mostly did this cause I had to do something while getting used to the new tablet ^^

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    Nice progress! Lovely to see you venture into Loomis, keep at it! Keep up the figure drawing and simplify everything and think of proportions, dynamic poses, anatomy and so forth. You'll get use to it in no time!

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    Nice start m8,keep it up. We want to see mooooar

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    @Knights art, fransua , Thanks you guys

    Ok so I didnt post yesterday, I wanted to but was too busy to do anything more than a few quick poses from the gesture drawing tool, i created these, keeping in mind ofcourse what Dazzamatas and saltfox suggested ^^ It helps a lot doing it that way but it gets really really hard, guess thats how you learn
    Second is poses from today as warmup, still pretty difficult but getting smoother I think Third the real difficult, the european bull statue from the middle of the town I grew up in

    critiques help a lot so thank you everyone so far

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