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    Thumbs up 3 questions: Broad stroke & "face rhythm chart"

    Ok, 3 questions that's been bugging me for some weeks:

    1) Is Ernest Watson the inventor of the broad stroke technique? Has it been used before his time?

    2) Other than Paul Calle, Ernest Watson and Ted Kautzky, are there any other artists who uses the broad stroke a lot? I had like to see some of their drawings, if any. Everytime I search for "broad stroke technique" on Google, the results are always about "heat stroke" or "butterfly stroke".

    3) Pls find below image (attachment). According to Sheldon (in his head drawing DVD), he refers to this as the "face rhythm chart". In his video, it was mentioned that this rhythm chart has been used for 500 over years and is now being used in famous art schools. I've tried to find out more about the history of this face rhythm chart but in vain. Is there some official term or common name for this sort of chart? I think maybe it was used since the Renaissance? Even Vilppu don't seem to draw using this chart.

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    The "face rhythms" is like, or is, the Reilly method of face construction. Lots of info on the forums about that. Also look up the later pages of csears mentoring thread.

    and check out the thread just down from this one (for now at least) on simplifying head structure from photos.
    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...d.php?t=211661

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    Arthur Guptill, Watsons publishing partner, uses broadstroke technique. Plenty of examples in Rendering in Pencil by him

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    This "face rhythm" looks rather contrived to me. Not sure if it's just an illustration of a concept or the working method, but I can think of better ways to break down the form of a head.

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    That face drawing is a Reilly method breakdown. Here is a better example

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    I'm in the process of acquiring the two better Reilly books you can find in the "Stickies" above.

    I know the rough Reilly head construction is referred to as either the: "Reilly D," or the "Reilly Pie."

    Can anyone describe the process through which the more complex structures are supposed to be layered on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamber Parrk View Post
    I'm in the process of acquiring the two better Reilly books you can find in the "Stickies" above.

    I know the rough Reilly head construction is referred to as either the: "Reilly D," or the "Reilly Pie."

    Can anyone describe the process through which the more complex structures are supposed to be layered on?
    The "pie" or "D" refers to quickly establishing the gesture of the head (especially in 3/4 or profile view) with a kind of bloated triangle shape.

    Reilly's main principle is always establishing a hierarchy of forms and planes and working from big to small. He also emphasized the relationships and rhythmic flow of the parts of the body. Mentally, it's very similar to sculpting. A rough guide to the process is as follows:
    Establish the main shape of the head (made up of the cranium and the facial plane). Locate the vertical and horizontal center lines.
    Establish the main front, top, and side planes (side planes are defined by the temples, top plane breaks roughly at the hair line). Place the width of the eyes along the horizontal center. Use the eye widths to establish the width of the base of the nose (below the inside corners of the eyes) and the mouth (below the centers of the eyes).
    Establish the secondary forms of the orbit, brow ridge and muzzle on the front plane of the face, and the curve of the underside of the cheekbone on the side plane.
    Establish the top plane of the zygomatic arch, and extend it to place the tops of the ears and the naso-labial fold. Establish the secondary front plane.
    Establish the forms of the features: forehead form, eye bulge, nose, mouth mound, chin, ears.
    Finally, build the forms and planes of the details of the face: eyes, nostrils, lips, etc.

    Remember that Reilly's method is an abstraction used to establish relationships, that the individuality of the model or character is then built upon. It's more important to think in these terms than it is to follow every detail of the process slavishly (although I would certainly recommend trying it and seeing if all or parts of it work for you).

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    Quote Originally Posted by arenhaus View Post
    This "face rhythm" looks rather contrived to me. Not sure if it's just an illustration of a concept or the working method, but I can think of better ways to break down the form of a head.
    This guy seems to do really well with the approach. Scroll down a mite...

    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=60746

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    Thanks. I was trying to think of Nathan Fowkes.

    From Erik Gist' blog;
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_CXjxCzN0Bq...600/head01.jpg

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CXjxCzN0Bq...0-h/8head1.jpg

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CXjxCzN0Bq...0-h/8head2.jpg
    this one shows emphasizing the head's rythyms doesn't preclude considering its structure and perpsective.

    There are many more fine demos on Erik's blog
    http://deadoftheday.blogspot.com/

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