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    any tutorial on simplifying facial structure from a photo ref to then draw

    Hi, a few days ago, i decided to draw some faces again, just found out that my ball pen sketches as not as good as i like to think they are. i came across the fact that drawing with black pen can tend to lead to too strong a line and over shadowing, especially drawing female face. I realized that i might need to use a comic drawing approach, simplify the lines and shades might be a solution. are there any tutorial or books that any would recommend on this issue: simplifying lines from a photo reference??

    i wish i can scan up my crappy drawing and post it here to show you what i meant, but i don't have the original photo with me...

    anyway, many many thanks in advance.
    hope to hear all your wisdom.

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    There's not really a tutorial, it comes with practice. You have to train yourself to break down complex shapes into simpler ones. Your simple shapes being just any basic geometric form like a sphere or cube. Simplifying isn't just a comic approach, its done by most everyone.

    Female faces tend to be softer and rounder. Though that's just a guideline.

    Pens are good in a way because you can't erase. They force you to see your mistakes. In order to not make mistakes you have to improve hand-eye coordination. So drawing with a pen can be beneficial.

    I would draw with a pencil merely for the fact that you can draw very very lightly with a pencil. Start off with marks that you can barely see. Mark the locations of the major features and proportions. Then the major forms. Then refine and start getting darker and darker as you get what you want. But most of your drawing should be done lightly. The final marks will be the heaviest.
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    I think a lot of it depends on the style you're going for. You can do a highly rendered pen portrait with hatching and shading, or you can just use basic lines to suggest things like they do in comic books. (or you can lose your mind and do this )
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    You have to be very, very aware of the facial structure. Photos don't generally make it easy to read, so you must substitute your own knowledge. Best of all, observe the structure in the faces of all people you meet, and sketch them.

    Some books that can be a lot of help include Loomis's textbooks (in particular "Fun with the Pencil" and "Drawing the Head and Hands") and Tiner's "Figure Drawing without a Model".
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    Quote Originally Posted by arenhaus View Post
    Photos don't generally make it easy to read
    When using inks with photo reference, I like to make the photos black and white and up the contrast to see their facial structures better. Especially with bland lighting.
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    Most of all, Learn to simplify the skull. After that, proceed to search out the planes of the features and explore their variations. Raileyh has posted some good diagrams that that outlines the planes of the face in a simple wire frame. Most photographs these days tend to smoothen out the features of the head and highlight the features, reducing the sense of mass and bulk. I would suggest copying paintings, rather than photos, using whatever medium you like. Find some portrait where the planes of the head are clear and focus first of all on drawing the shapes that define them.

    Most accomplished portrait painters agree that the key to the subjects likeness lies in the main characteristics of the subjects head. I's been documented that Sargent would paint the planes of the head first and lay on the features last.

    Edit: If you are interested, students notes about Sargent's methods can be found here.
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    Here is something that might help you. It's some WIP drawings I did along with the photo reference.
    As arenhaus said above, the main thing is to realise the structure inferred by the photo reference in your mind and then put down marks that explain that understanding. The likeness, expression and 'lifelikeness' will then take care of themselves and with much, much more conviction, strength and potency.
    Hope it helps a bit!

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    An idea for other references.

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    you may also take a look at those pdf, very similar to Reilyh sheets.
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    This:

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Bennett View Post
    shows exactly what the danger of working with photo reference is. The artist succeeded to draw the face just fine, but then failed to place the head on the body - possibly because the pose in the photo was different.

    Always analyze and reconstruct the pose; remember that photos lie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arenhaus View Post
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    shows exactly what the danger of working with photo reference is. The artist succeeded to draw the face just fine, but then failed to place the head on the body - possibly because the pose in the photo was different.
    Hey arenhaus, that artist was me! The placing of the head like that was entirely deliberate since I was after a semi abstraction - a kind of flat and solid dicotomy.
    However, you are quite right about the the dangers of working with photo reference regarding this sort of thing.
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    Read this post from Hope Railey's blog.

    http://drawthefigure.blogspot.com/20...ting-head.html

    This pdf from Fred Fixler is a big help too.

    http://www.fredfixler.com/downloads/Reilly_Head.pdf

    Identify, memorize and practice those lines that setup your facial planes and proportions. I traced and drew 100's of photos until it became 2nd nature.

    Now, when I draw from my mind or from the model stuff comes out a whole lot more realistic and correct.

    Here's a pic I found on the net. I then identified all the structure lines.
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