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    Howdy CA Discussion Boards…..

    A little thing has come up in which I’d like to discuss with the panel ( meaning anybody & everybody). The issue is LIGHT and it’s use, or non use as to say.

    Now, although there are certain rules to be followed when creating artwork my personal opinion is not to become a slave to all of the rules. That said, I once heard an art teacher tell a student, “ Use your artistic license” when faced with an issue that concerned light. I thought about what was said and came up with the notion that creating art (unlike photography) allows you at some point to break the rules.

    One’s light source can be how they want it to be as long as it helps and furthers the art along. Maybe just my opinion I guess, but I tend to create stuff with a concentrated “spotlight” from directly above. I can also have an alternative light source coming from somewhere else but the main source is directly above and slightly to the right or left of the interaction of the work. This helps to get the feel and mood of what I’m trying to express.

    I am posting below an image by a well known and respected artist that, in my judgment broke the light rule. The light from the full moon in front should be casting a very deep shadow on the main point of interest. The figure from the light should be so dark in shadow that you should be able to only see it in outline. I mentioned this in the discussion room of another art forum and was simply told that the image could be taking place on another world or another dimension. All true!! So my suggestion is that you can break the rules, somewhat, as long as you stay true to the artwork and do it creatively. Sometime barriers are meant to be crossed. JMO…..Bruce.



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    Frazetta always could get away with anything because he was so good at subordination of the elements to the idea. On the other hand this guy has placed a lightsource between the elephant and the figures with less than stellar results.

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    dpaint…..lol

    That or either there’s a full moon on the left and a campfire for cooking on the right. Funny, but I always thought that the T-man preferred his chimpanzees raw!

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    I kinda like Boris….but Frank is totally THE MAN!!

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    Boris is a better illustrator than I will ever be; doesn't fix that picture though.

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    In this one it looks like Frazetta used light strictly to emphasize her chest. As if it even NEEDS the help! My gosh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dpaint View Post
    Frazetta always could get away with anything because he was so good at subordination of the elements to the idea. On the other hand this guy has placed a lightsource between the elephant and the figures with less than stellar results.
    But can't you see it's obviously a supernatural elephant rising out of a glowing ectoplasmic fog!

    Eh, artistic license... sometimes it works, sometimes it don't.

    Renaissance artists are fun to look at in that vein, they take all kinds of license with both light and space to get their point across... In the better paintings, it works so well you don't even notice it at first. (And then again, in some paintings it all turns to chaos...)

    And of course there's any number of night scenes throughout art history with completely unnatural stage lighting thrown in so you can see what's going on.

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    The crucial distinction here is that Frazetta's picture is "getting light that shouldn't exist" because the picture is happening at night. Our intellects tell us that light wouldn't be there because this is earth, and at night the sun goes down.

    But our intellects aren't what Frazetta is engaging (either in himself or us), and the intellect isn't all its cracked up to be anyhow. A nude girl in the jungle at night, warm light coming from above: Is it a campfire in a treehouse, a torch light off screen, a second moon that is orange, the symbolic light of our interest... What Frazetta has done, by virtue of his imagination is add mystery, and maybe fantasy, through the introduction of an unexpected light source. Once introduced, this fantasy is evidenced in all the ways it would be if it were reality. It thus becomes justified. He takes the fantasy and makes it real. That is his greatest talent in all his pictures.

    The second picture has elements that falsify each other, rather than justify. Which means the artist did not conceive the scene as something that is real, rather something constructed from scrap and reference. He has taken two realities and stuck them together to create a falsity.

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    Behold! The elephant in the living room that we're not supposed to talk about.

    Shit! I dropped my IPhone. . .

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    Yeah...Frazetta was never about the light really...so yeah, some rules can be broken for sure.

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    Kev, you have perfectly nailed that down. A brilliant explanation.

    I used to kinda like Vallejo... until I saw Frazetta. Then it was painfully obvious that Vallejo is a rather poor knock-off.

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    He may not be a Frazetta, but Boris is a professional. He's also a nice guy who is quite gracious about everything.

    Maybe in 1970 it looked like he was ripping Frazetta, but in retrospect, his work looks like Boris.

    At least Icarus tried!


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    [QUOTE=kev ferrara;3038150]He may not be a Frazetta, but Boris is a professional. He's also a nice guy who is quite gracious about everything.
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    Plus he and Julie can kick everyones ass on this site...

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