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    my votes went to:
    felida - a surprisingly fun picture that increases in charm the more often i look at it. also, probably the one that best blends the elegance of greek dresses with the roughness of steampunk leather of all entries. my only qualm with it are the legs
    pxelslayer - although this one aches for some cogwheels just where her legs would start to feel truly steampunk, this one certainly brings across the grandness of a godess, together with a very feminine and simultaneously "greek" pose, which creates a wonderful flow througout the picture.
    janjager - despite some odd proportions (she looks slightly dwarfish), i just love the hot atmosphere of "deep in the intestines of the steampunk machinery where hephaistos supposedly works" - you really put the steam into steampunk. also her coquettish, playful and inviting look towards the viewer.

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    not one vote ouch
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    Thank you so much for the crits Rusty and noche the feedback is invaluable, this community is making me a much better artist and I can't thank you enough for it.

    noche: I have a hard time coming up with dynamic poses that show off all the details in my concepts. I will keep your post in mind for future CHOWs. Your design is great, I love the wiring coming out of her hands, it adds that metahuman touch the topic calls for.

    Rusty: I guess sometimes less is more, thank you for that. The lazy background is really detracting from my overall image. Yours is incredible, my hat is off to you for creating that image in the time you did! Amazing skin tones.

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    MarcSampson: I've noticed that when scrolling through and was surprised, because yours would make my top five list. I didn't fare much better. At least you should know that the lack of votes is not because of a lack of skill - it's evident you have a solid understanding of anatomy, painting skills and drawing skills!
    Maybe the wires coming out of her body were too gross and non-Steampunk plus her facial expression is very drab. Sex it up next time

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    marcsampson - I'd say she doesn't look very steam punk-ish. more like a nordic, "classic" fantasy godess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcSampson View Post
    not one vote ouch
    I used to go without any votes all the time too; please don't let it put you off. The point of these activities are to make you a better artist, I guarantee you that if you stick with CHOW, votes or not, you'll be a much better artist 6 months from now.

    Sometimes you don't get votes based on your concept simply not sticking well to the theme. Remember this is ConceptArt.org and it's all about the design, not so much about the execution. If you had a beautifully rendered version of Aphrodite that wasn't in the least Steam Punkish you probably wouldn't get votes either. I'm not saying this is what happened to you, I'm just throwing that out there.

    Don't take it personally, just have fun, be part of the greatest art community on the web and frankly the best weekly activity one, focus on the art and forget about the votes

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    thanks so much guys for boosting me up and youre right i wont led myself become frustrated because of this. yeah compared to others im missing the godlike feature and the steampunk setting.. well thats what this is all about become a better artist
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    Quote Originally Posted by fdisk View Post

    Remember this is ConceptArt.org and it's all about the design, not so much about the execution. If you had a beautifully rendered version of Aphrodite that wasn't in the least Steam Punkish you probably wouldn't get votes either.
    Yeah I know I probably should just STFU because I failed to participate in this weeks CHoW but I see a much bigger problem right now and I just wanted to express that.

    See you said that you may probably not get any votes if you execute it well but dont stick to the topic...I see a trend right the other way round ...even though often its not a very convincing/groundbreaking concept but executed on a very high standard it gets the votes. Because its very eye-pleasing

    But I am not that much concerned about the votes in particular but what this means to the CHoW as a whole. I already gave a part of this speech a few months ago so sorry for repeating it but whats the point in a CHoW that explicitly is a CONCEPT based competition if one doesnt stick to the rules...I mean take this weeks CHoW for a start... its been explicitly said that it has to be seen that this is NOT JUST A HOT (naked) GIRL ...but one in a steampunk setting and a GODDESS .... and without offending anyone but most of this weeks enterings dont look that way ( thats one of the reasons why I didnt participated because I didnt felt like being able to produce something like this, the other was my general problem with the female face) they either miss the steampunkish part ( and excuse me for that but adding a giant gearwheel just doesnt cuts it ).... or they did not made it to look very god-like... or it misses the "Goddess of love" part

    My concern is that this becomes more and more an illustration competition rather then a concept orientated one ... then again I know my "concepts" havent been very groundbreaking at all I know that but I think we as a community should try to preserve the spirit of this competition ...

    Its up to all of us

    so this will not be crits but rather a feedback on how I think the pics matched the guidelines ( and again not trying to be rude ...just what I think)

    Crumbelievable steampunkish ? : yes it is
    a goddess ? : maybe but just by the glowing eyes, so could be more
    goddess of love ? : just the signs ( the swan ) but its not part of the character itself but the surrounding but then again she is sexy , so lets say maybe yes

    Dayle
    steampunkish ? : I dont feel it
    a goddess ? : no its just a normal looking girl
    goddess of love ? : again just by the sign ( the apple ) but it doesnt feel like one

    finnaith steampunkish ? : mabye but its to generic
    a goddess ? : no
    goddess of love ? : no

    Nikola Marinkovic steampunkish ? : mabye looks rather sci-fi
    a goddess ? : no just a normal woman
    goddess of love ? : could be but as I said she doesnt feel god-like at all

    Artina steampunkish ? : maybe but could be more
    a goddess ? : no just a normal woman
    goddess of love : see above

    Bleurgh steampunkish ? : yes sir !
    a goddess ? : maybe
    goddess of love ? : no

    Eclectix steampunkish ? : maybe
    a goddess ? : could be yes, because she has some supernatural features
    goddess of love ? : no

    fdisk steampunkish ? : maybe buts rather baroque
    a goddess ? : maybe she has a bit of more than just human to her
    goddess of love ? : maybe

    felida steampunkish ? : yes but could be more
    a goddess ? : no, just a woman
    goddess of love ? : could be if there where something to her that would make her look god-like in the first place

    FrozenSceptre steampunkish ? : yeah maybe
    a goddess ? : no, just a normal looking woman
    goddess of love ? : no, lacks the features of a goddess in first place adding lots of hearts will not make a change

    goldilockz steampunkish ? : yeah looks ok to me
    a goddess ? : dont know she has something out of the ordinary to her that I cant pin down so ...maybe
    goddess of love ? : not in particular

    H4WK steampunkish ? : works for me
    a goddess ? : could be even though its just the things around her that give her that flair not the character itself
    goddess of love ? : could be yes

    kurios steampunkish ? : to little ATM
    a goddess ? : absolutely no ...looks just like the girl next door
    goddess of love ? : see above

    LA-Fairy steampunkish ? : not exactly and to little that could give a hint for the setting at all
    a goddess ? : no
    goddess of love ? : no

    LtPlissken steampunkish ? : could be yeah even though it looks kinda generic at all
    a goddess ? : yeah maybe
    goddess of love ? : yeah ...maybe

    Malakuko steampunkish ? : definitely.
    a goddess ? : no
    goddess of love ? : no

    MarcSampson steampunkish ? : no just like fantasy/ sci-fi cross over but not very steamy
    a goddess ? : more of a supermodel in clothed in weird stuff
    goddess of love ? : no

    Mino steampunkish ? : yup
    a goddess ? : could be so yes
    goddess of love : could be

    noche steampunkish ? : yes
    a goddess ? : yes
    goddess of love ? : dont see it

    oldboy115 steampunkish ? : maybe, it works yo far
    a goddess ? : no
    goddess of love ? : no

    pilmon46 steampunkish ? : definitely .
    a goddess ? : not likely
    goddess of love ? : the only hint is the apple ...buts not a part of the character itself right now

    PxelSlayer steampunkish ? : hells yeah !
    a goddess ? : I can fell that she is something more than human so yeah !
    goddess of love ? : nope ...I dont feel that

    Rusty steampunkish ? : maybe the most in this weeks ChoW for me, so yes !
    a goddess ? : nope , just a normal woman
    goddess of love ? : could be if she as a person had something to her that would make her god-alike in the first place

    RXMT steampunkish ? : a little
    a goddess ? : no
    goddess of love ? : no

    SaintLConcept steampunkish ? : yup , definitely
    a goddess ? : maybe but she as a character dont shows this, she is by all means a normal woman with long hair
    goddess of love : could have been

    SeanMclain steampunkish ? : no
    a goddess ? : maybe yes
    goddess of love ? : no

    Taimic steampunkish ? : maybe
    a goddess ? : no
    goddess of love ? : more like a goddess of sexy nude photography

    THEDESTROYER steampunkish ? : no
    a goddess ? : no
    goddess of love ? : no

    Vilya steampunkish ? : a bit
    a goddess ? : no
    goddess of love : no

    Windsrock steampunkish ? : no its more art nouveau
    a goddess ? : no
    goddess of love ? : no

    Trudy steampunkish ? : no
    a goddess ? : no
    goddess of love : no

    CandlePhoenix
    steampunkish ? : a little
    a goddess ? : no
    goddess of love ? : no

    Carnifex steampunkish ? : could be ...so yes
    a goddess ? : definitely yes.
    goddess of love : no, nothing there for me

    dragon4lunch steampunkish ? : yeah I can give you that
    a goddess ? : no
    goddess of love ? : could be if she had something god-like in the first place

    JanJager steampunkish: hell yeah
    a goddess ? : nope
    goddess of love ? : not a single hint for that

    MJ_Alcazar steampunkish : yeah it is
    a goddess ? : no
    goddess of love ? : no

    nAniA steampunkish ? : yes
    a goddess ? : no
    goddess of love ? : no

    RicoD steampunkish ? : yes
    a goddess ? : no
    goddess of love ? : no

    snippet steampunkish ? : maybe ..but not much
    a goddess ? : no
    goddess of love ? : no

    tbaldree steampunkish ? : no
    a goddess ? : no
    goddess of love ? : no

    TheDirtSyndicate
    steampunkish ? : could be
    a goddess ? : could be
    goddess of love ? : no

    Tamarin steampunkish ? : just a little
    a goddess ? : she flies ..so maybe yes
    goddess of love ? : no

    tempest-haze steampunkish ? : a little
    a goddess ? : maybe she has something to her than looks more than human
    goddess of love ? : nope ...more like a goddess of peace ..

    so again no offense just what I felt like when browsing through the entries, and to back up my speech a little

    my votes go to Rusty and Tamarin nevertheless ^^

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    Thanks for the vote Partisan. I went with the generic goggles and arm band thingy with the pressure-guage? on it. Capturing neither a goddess or steam punk in the character I added plenty of steam in the form of clouds in the background to sway the voter

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    Cowkitty, that is a lovely entry, too bad it was too late.

    Yeah, a steampunk godess of love was a hard one to tackle,
    but hey, we tried.

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    I think it's fair to remember that designing for CA contests is a lot like designing for a client (which is often a committee) in that you are designing to the tastes of a specific target audience. It's not necessarily a reflection on your work nearly as much as it is a reflection on how your work is perceived by that particular client (or group of people). I do think that most of us failed on one or more levels in getting the "Steampunk Goddess of Love" aspect across visually, even if the back stories would have provided some of the necessary elements, because this is not a back-story contest.

    For me, what made this challenging was that I tend to resist using straight-up typical cliche features. I didn't want to use goggles, gloves, or hearts in my image, for instance. I went with dragonfly wings because I imagined a goddess must be able to fly, and if you are going to fashion steampunk wings then they should look mechanical, and dragonfly wings always looked somewhat mechanical to me. They also remind me of water since that is where dragonflies usually hunt, which helped echo the aquatic origins of the goddess. If viewers don't pick up on my subtle visual hints, then it's not really the viewers who are at fault.


    In the end though I think the ones that get the most votes are typically the ones with the greatest visual impact; not always the most refined or complete or even the most true to the guidelines, but the ones that have the most "wow" factor upon first glance. With so many pieces to choose from, it is not likely that any given voter will scrutinize all the detail that goes into all of the entries, so that initial impact is very important if you want to get noticed and remembered at vote time.

    I was fairly confident that I wouldn't be winning this contest from the moment I started, and not just because there were so many competitors, but because I knew that my concept wasn't hitting a bulls eye. I did it to the best of my ability anyway, but after a point it became more of a personal project, sticking more to the letter of the guidelines rather than the spirit because I already felt like I had missed the spirit of it. I'm quite pleased with the work I produced, so I don't feel that it was wasted effort in the slightest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eclectix View Post
    I was fairly confident that I wouldn't be winning this contest from the moment I started, and not just because there were so many competitors, but because I knew that my concept wasn't hitting a bulls eye. I did it to the best of my ability anyway, but after a point it became more of a personal project, sticking more to the letter of the guidelines rather than the spirit because I already felt like I had missed the spirit of it. I'm quite pleased with the work I produced, so I don't feel that it was wasted effort in the slightest.
    This is exactly how I felt. Every single time I do one of these, it's a tremendous learning experience!

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    Partisan: In general agree with your over all opinion as well as your specific crits, but it got me thinking a bit. Aren't a character's costume/props as important to describe the character, as the eyes(for example)? Mmm, that could be an interesting challenge....some kind of complex character only naked in an empty room.

    BTW, can I get a pass on the giant gear because I was referencing the Venus on the half shell thing...similar pattern and such...maybe?


    Eclectix: You are right. In the real world, it's all about the wow factor. By the way I really liked how yours turned out....fantastic atmosphere...there was wow, but I didn't vote for it because it read "steampunk fairy" to me rather than goddess of love....I guess I am the exception rather than the rule.


    Here is a dumb question for anyone. I have wondered about this for about a year now. What are the levels associated to people all about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by H4WK View Post

    Here is a dumb question for anyone. I have wondered about this for about a year now. What are the levels associated to people all about?
    its just how many posts you made ... the more you post the higher your level gets i think its 50, 100, 150, 300, 500, and so on ...dont know all of them and it goes all the way up to level ...17... I think which is about 5000 posts or something like that

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    Partisan there is definitely no reason for you to stfu We missed you this week! But what is an illustration competition? I'm not sure what you mean. In my opinion, the best entries include a story and environment like illustrations do. Of course the character should follow the guidelines tho.

    TBH, I will never vote for an entry which includes no story or environment (character just standing there)

    If I fail to meet the guidelines very well, it is sometimes because these pieces are for my portfolio in the end, and thats what they need to be good for. Maybe other people are the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eclectix View Post
    I was fairly confident that I wouldn't be winning this contest from the moment I started, and not just because there were so many competitors, but because I knew that my concept wasn't hitting a bulls eye. I did it to the best of my ability anyway, but after a point it became more of a personal project, sticking more to the letter of the guidelines rather than the spirit because I already felt like I had missed the spirit of it. I'm quite pleased with the work I produced, so I don't feel that it was wasted effort in the slightest.
    This is how I feel entering every single CHOW because I'm not nearly at the level the rest of the people here are, but this place is still making me a much better artist week after week thanks to all the inspirational pieces and great feedback.

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    Partisan, I'm thankful you took the time write on that topic, I pretty much agree with you that Illustration and Concept Art getting mixed up in here. I had a long conversation with my sister on this, whilst we were looking at the final entries. I remember saying if it would be any good to have a "Illustration of the week" kind of activity where artists could focus on that aspect, whilst still doing some concept design..

    If I had to name a guy that does clear, well-rendered character concepts without looking like illustrations, that'd be Justin Sweet.
    Let's go into Concepts tab. The first three are a perfect example... watch all the details, design, character, you get a solid idea of what these guys are.

    ChoW#233 :: VOTING :: Steampunk Aphrodite
    ChoW#233 :: VOTING :: Steampunk Aphrodite
    ChoW#233 :: VOTING :: Steampunk Aphrodite
    http://www.justinsweet.com/GALLERY/I...Concepts1.html





    Now, let's go into the Illustrations tab.. I can see these are great Illustrations, maybe while still character concepts. His focus isn't the design of the costume, etc, but a greater visual idea.

    ChoW#233 :: VOTING :: Steampunk Aphrodite
    ChoW#233 :: VOTING :: Steampunk Aphrodite
    ChoW#233 :: VOTING :: Steampunk Aphrodite
    ChoW#233 :: VOTING :: Steampunk Aphrodite
    http://www.justinsweet.com/GALLERY/I...stration1.html




    Sometimes a fine line, between the two ideas, but they serve different ends, I think. I'd love having someone more experienced elaborating on this. Also, maybe the idea of Chow is to incorporate elements of illustration in the entries, or maybe it's a feel free to do as you wish thing.

    Reading over this whole thing again, maybe, a character concept can stand alone, isolated from other elements, and remain solid and interesting. Whilst a character in a illustration depends a lot more on the elements/story/composition around him/her. Just some thoughts.

    Also, about the whole "Not looking like a goddess" thing, I think came from looking at Venus/Aphrodite references, where she is depicted as a normal woman, with clothing from his time, etc. but I believe what makes a God look like a God is a very subtle/personal thing that can be shared with the viewer if done efficiently IMO. Either she has bright eyes, or is apparently normal

    Well, thought I'd share this... and thanks for your feedback again, man
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    TBH, I will never vote for an entry which includes no story or environment (character just standing there)
    Well, you may be being honest, but that’s not sticking to the criteria of Chow if you so choose to vote on that point. The inclusion of background is not fundamental to Chow. A background is discretionary not mandatory. If you were asked to come up with a character design in a games company, for a movie etc, there’s a good chance you’d be criticised for wasting time on unnecessary detail. ‘Story’ however, should be apparent from strong character. The design itself should present ‘the story’ as integral to it. Those Justin Sweet designs Noche posted are examples of that to some extent: minimalist backgrounds, and design elements that support the character and their story. CHARACTER DESIGN SHOULD BE STRONG ENOUGH TO STAND ALONE WITHOUT BACKGROUND. But it doesn’t HAVE to. Which is why we all enjoy turning a character concept into a full blown illustration.

    As for voting, do you imagine this is a problem that hasn't arisen before? In the 18 months I was involved with running Chow, this topic came up time and time again. There is no way to resolve it. Human nature is human nature, and as much as it’s easy to propose an ideal situation where people vote for the most ‘interesting’ ‘ingenious’ or ‘novel’ design, they will almost invariably vote for the prettiest picture, and on one level there is nothing wrong with that. However, in a design challenge, which Chow is, (not an illustration contest) the criteria SHOULD be the best character. But voting does not come from people who just submit to the challenge, many voters are casual voters who spend most of their time on other parts of the forum of which Chow is just one small part. They aren’t going to read the rules before they put a tick next to the image THEY THINK is the best. Not to diminish peoples critical integrity, but the one that leaps out for most people is usually the best realised regardless of originality.

    Also, I would like to stress that this is a character challenge first and foremost, not solely a costume design one. Character, ie: personality, expression, attitude, empathy, motivation, etc, and yes... costume design are ALL relevant for a complete character that has depth and resonance. It is important to bear all those aspects in mind when starting your thought process. Why do you think the character art of someone like Iain McCaig is so good? Because when you look at it you see beyond the marks he makes and see something of the personality projected. That’s what good character art is. Not the biggest tits, or the biggest axe, or the most kickarse costume. Those are fun in context, but ONLY in context. Randomly giving a character something you’d like to see on them regardless what the brief is, will diminish your vision. Developing a strong character visually is like WRITING a strong character. Get inside them and discover what makes them tick, then your image will have more impact.

    But you have to ask yourself ‘what is important’ with Chow? Winning each week, or developing your skills and enjoying yourself. If all you want to do is win, then your motivation will be all over the place, but if you want to research, try new things, learn that ‘character’ isn’t all about shiny stuff, then you’ll get more out of it. Chow is just a weekly online challenge where you are asked to come up with an interesting take on a proposed topic. Have fun with it, and anything else that comes along is a bonus!

    We all know the best designs aren’t necessarily the most 'in your face', a good example being the costume designs for the first Star Wars film by John Mollo ( I refuse to call it ‘A New Hope’). If you’ve ever seen the character work, it’s not the most brilliantly rendered in the world if we’re honest, but the characters and costumes were some of the most iconic EVER! Whilst voting for the most ‘awesome’ image it is wise to keep this in mind. Mollo won an Oscar for his work.

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    Aly thank you for writing all that - it does seem to end up being an illustration challenge on this often. And amazing to see those darth costumes... really very amateur drawings!! How does someone who's not a great draughtsman get gigs like that!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtByManon View Post
    Aly thank you for writing all that - it does seem to end up being an illustration challenge on this often. And amazing to see those darth costumes... really very amateur drawings!! How does someone who's not a great draughtsman get gigs like that!?
    Probably because he was an expert in military costume prior to being a designer. I'm speculating, but his knowledge of uniform was probably more valued at the time than pretty pictures. If all the information was in his drawings, why was it necessary to over egg the pudding with excess rendering? This was in the days before the producers of projects like Star Wars saw 'Art of Books...' as a big seller. Something Lucas definitely got wise too after signing away his Star Wars fee for the licensing rights.

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    two cents: the only CHOW I ever won(barbarella) was due to it being an illustration. A good illustration also has a good character design though(in my opinion, see examples above, JSweet is a pimp). If you can do both with in the time frame(one week), by all means rock out, but the focus of the illustration should be on the character, and the character needs to be readable. Thats how I have attacked these challenges in the past. There have been times though where I just do a character on a white bg because the inspiration wasn't there for an Illustration. By inspiration, I mean I didn't nail the character design down fast enough to put them in an illustrative situation.
    something I've been mulling around in my brains for a bit was the idea of; if you want to do an illustration, in you wips, include the character design as part of the process. i think that would be a baller move to be able to pull off in one week.

    aly thank you for the nice post, it is very informative.

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    meh.
    i always assume that everyone is cheating so i never expect to win.
    controversial? yeh.
    why? because i see people with pretty lame artwork getting more votes that people with better artwork. that just tells me that they have friends racking up votes for them, either that or they have multiple user accounts racking up votes for themselves.
    this is the interwebs. interwebs people = shit as far as i'm concerned.
    i just like seeing the real winners come out on top, which is exactly what they do here unlike other forums out there.

    to the cheats: you might have 5 accounts to vote for yourself, you might have 10 friends set up accounts and vote on your piece; but you cant beat the 100 fucking votes that were earned by the winner here.
    suck it.

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    i'm constantly baffled by how the voting public chooses. can't figure it out for the life of me. i agree that most seem to vote for eyecandy instead of idea. oh well. i try to challenge myself and stay clear from cliches. many times i just get frustrated afterwards in the voting process when it seems my efforts were wasted.
    i love getting thoughtful responses though. they are what keep me coming back.
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    Carnifex:: I am really enjoying this new style you've produced. you seem to be more successful with the gradient color/boss line work than you do with the Chiaroscuro approach. i get more of the character with this style and i see you are progressing nicely with it. in what direction do you want to take this? are you moving towards a more comic book coloring style? do you want to take this all the way to a manga fusion style?

    I finally sat down and voted. I then read partisan's post. balls-tastic! I know us artists can have some so interesting quirks, one being not being able to take the hard truth....hat is off to you. I read every letter of it. fellow artists if you were chritted(the 'h' is for my brother) take what was said and learn a little from it. its dead on ballz accurate. well done partisan well done
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    Wow, I'm glad I revisited this page. Plenty of good posts. Even grand master Aly aka poshspice showed up. Nice!

    Carnifex: That is looking good. I don't see a reason why a drawing presented like that shouldn't be able to win.
    Of course it looks like people gave the win to an incomplete piece this round, but granted, it is very pretty. Rusty's entry certainly is more a painting than a concept piece.

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    crookedhorn - (had to look up manga fusion style) not sure where i'd take it. comic book style with flat shadows probably. i don't want to limit myself to one style. the reason this emits more character is probably because i thought more of the pose and attitude, whereas with the other one it was more about emotion and mood. probably a bad choice for the contest, but i wanted to get more of that "awe of god" feeling in there.
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    I've seen people here goes voting for the "most beautiful pieces", not the best concepted. Also some styles like manga-ish, cartoon-ish ( just like carnifex's or senira's ), doesn't get the votes even if the artwork is amazing ( in its own style of course ).
    But a single thing it's clear for me, if it's not well proportioned, coloured ( sad but true ), and has a beautiful face in it, it won't win.

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    Fun round and interesting debate.
    Lot of great entries.
    Noche, Pixelslayer wery beautiful.
    SaintLConcept god concept.
    My favorite Artfix. In my opinion he nailed the concept. Stempunk Aphrodite In a nutshell.

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