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    Pattern......
    At a fundamental level for all life it is the primal mental device whereby the hunter distinguishes its prey; the edible from the forest chatter.
    That, for us higher primates has become to mean that that distiguishes the significant from the random.
    The practical application of this we call science.
    The language of symbols expressing our desire for metaphysical context, we call Art.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kev ferrara View Post
    Articulateness is derived mostly from general understanding, not from specifics.
    Which is why synthesis in Science and metaphor in Art is proof of understanding. The details in both are just the hand maidens.

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    Which is why the vacuous meiosis of a gilded flower toad represents the viscosity of the hearing of the painting of the brush on a British handmaiden which leads to the OK these BIG words are scary im outta here guise!1



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    Which is why any fool can kick sand castles over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Bennett View Post
    Which is why any fool can kick sand castles over.



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    Ah, so that's what trolls look like....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Bennett View Post
    Ah, so that's what trolls look like....



    Wrong, this is what trolls look like.

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    Well, here is my tomato. Took awhile and much erasing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kev ferrara View Post
    There are no tomatoes in geometry.
    But there are apples in abstract algebra.

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    Sorry to have to ask, but does what I posted look like a tomato?

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    Matthew - not really because there is no context or "tomato information" - it could be a flat basketball - or just a wonky circle because it lacks any shading. A tomato will have variations in texture, convolutions near the stem, a stem, a shiny skin, etc. Render it out all the way, then ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffX99 View Post
    Matthew - not really because there is no context or "tomato information" - it could be a flat basketball - or just a wonky circle because it lacks any shading. A tomato will have variations in texture, convolutions near the stem, a stem, a shiny skin, etc. Render it out all the way, then ask.
    I'll give it a shot, I've never shaded before though.

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    You don't need shading, but you do need more than a silhouette. Look for overlaps and smaller forms.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MatthewHD View Post
    Sorry to have to ask, but does what I posted look like a tomato?
    What are the distinguishing characteristics of a tomato? If you came upon a fruit in the supermarket how would you know it was a tomato and not some kind of squash?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vineris View Post
    What are the distinguishing characteristics of a tomato? If you came upon a fruit in the supermarket how would you know it was a tomato and not some kind of squash?
    I suppose I don't know how to draw those characteristics (besides coloring the thing red).

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    Quote Originally Posted by MatthewHD View Post
    I suppose I don't know how to draw those characteristics (besides coloring the thing red).
    That's one way to do it. It might also have a stem or the thing that's left behind when the stem comes off. There might be a sticker. It might be shiny and waxed. You could cut it open and display the innards, which are pretty unique.

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    How hard can it be? It's a red circle with a stalk.

    Besides, the REAL question, is if it's a tow-ma-toe, or a tow-may-toe.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MatthewHD View Post
    I suppose I don't know how to draw those characteristics (besides coloring the thing red).
    Do it anyway. You might screw it up and that's probably a good thing. Post your failures and let people guide you to do better next time. You won't learn by not trying.

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    As an American living in Britain, I feel compelled to point out that, yes, they do indeed say "to-MAH-to" but no native English speaker on the planet actually says "po-TAH-to."

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    seems to me like you are afraid of screwing up. Perhaps you are trying too hard. throw out that freaking eraser. Try to think in terms of volume instead of line. If you are thinking linearly, make sure to create all of your concavities from two convexities. Like others have said, start a sketchbook. You'll get critiques to help you improve.

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    I really like the way Cezanne studied fruits, he doesn't try to replicate them as he actually saw them irl, but instead thought of what is the best way to translate nature into a painting.

    Like he often would have a strong outline around the fruits, he distorts the objects that the fruits sit on into these impossible angles, and there is rarely a clear single light source. But the final outcome are these vibrant paintings that seem to come to life

    so yeah I think its good you actually analyze what you're drawing, but as others have said, you dont have to copy nature, its impossible, your painting will always be an illusion of it, so might as well do it how you interpret nature rather than copy it.







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    In the right context a circle with a stick can be a perfectly successful tomato. It all depends. If you mean a realistic looking tomato, it takes practice and your current skill level defines how hard it is to draw one.

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    oranges are harder to draw than apples.

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    You should always try to copy what you see. To advise otherwise encourages pretension and superficiality.

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    I read that and everything in the thread as "tornado" for a minute or two.

    Then I was wondering why everyone was posting vegetables, and was gonna say "that's not funny".

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    Quote Originally Posted by armando View Post
    You should always try to copy what you see. To advise otherwise encourages pretension and superficiality.
    I concur. Interpreting is fine but you should learn accuracy first.

    However, in obtaining accuracy, perfectionism can be a hindrance. I looked at your history here. You mentioned your perfectionism and it's taken you quite a while to finally post something. And after all this time, the one thing you've posted is a round outline of a tomato. That's it.

    So my advice is to try and let go of your perfectionism for now, and instead of spending all your time trying to get one perfect tomato, you should quickly sketch out 20, 50, or even 100 different vegetables in that time. By the 100th one, you'll surely have increased accuracy and better observation skills. You'll have a lot of bad drawings but you'll actually improve. At the current rate you appear to be going (based solely on what you've posted here, I don't know if you've done behind-the-scenes work), improving will take a looong time.

    I have to do the same thing. I was doing ugly self portraits for a while but decided to focus more on perfection. The result has been procrastination an no improvement. So I'm going to have to just keep sketching my face instead of trying to render everything perfectly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vineris View Post
    But there are apples in abstract algebra.
    There's no crying in baseball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FourTonMantis View Post
    oranges are harder to draw than apples.
    If there was one fruit I'd point to as a farmer conspiracy against artists, oranges would probably be it. Fucking oranges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by armando View Post
    You should always try to copy what you see. To advise otherwise encourages pretension and superficiality.
    That's an interesting idea. Can you elaborate?

    If one says,
    "You should always try to copy what you see. To advise otherwise encourages pretension and superficiality,"

    but if one says
    "You should never try to copy what you see. To advise otherwise encourages pretension and superficiality,"

    Both ring equally true, though both seem mutually exclusive.

    Thinking about it more closely,
    I would say trying not to copy exactly certainly can encourage pretense,

    and trying to copy exactly can certainly encourage superficiality.

    Still one does not arrive at any firm conclusion.

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