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    what is wrong with christopher hart?

    I know his manga stuff is crap, but his anatomy book was very useful for me. What are the reasons that make him, a terrible investment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    Because his books are Not Good. He's not a professional artist, he's a professional how-to-draw-book author. What good information he has has been recycled from other sources (Loomis, Hamm, Buscema, Hogarth), and it's mixed in with an awful lot of crap. And it doesn't take being the reincarnation of Michelangelo to see that.


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    Why did i bother to ask?

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    What did you get from his books that you can't get hundred times better from everyone else's books?

    And seriously:

    He can't even draw the right amount of finger joints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deepinonespersona View Post
    Why did i bother to ask?
    If we knew that this whole thread and others could have been avoided.

    I used to have a few Hart books in high-school, though to my dismay they were stolen. I guess it was God's work because it prompted me to get more books that were not by Hart.

    From what I can tell looking back with better knowledge, he doesn't really teach you anything. In the book I still have "Cutting Edge Anatomy" he gives the most basic muscle diagrams that can be found online for free. The muscle diagrams are stylized and lack depth for the most part. Muscle groups are cleanly outlined which looks nice but doesn't convey information to the layman.

    Bridgeman, while stylized, at least explains and shows WHY muscles form certain shapes and how they react to light. Bridgeman diagrams have weight and mass, Hart is full of hot air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TinyBird View Post
    What did you get from his books that you can't get hundred times better from everyone else's books?

    And seriously:

    He can't even draw the right amount of finger joints.


    What the fuck am I looking at?

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    I used a couple Hart books when I got started and while I've since moved on I found them much more accessible to a complete novice than some of the more daunting books often recommended. I liked the clean linework and the mostly "show don't tell" approach. I felt like things were simplified to the basic, most important parts of the figure so that I could digest and get comfortable with those parts before moving onto Loomis et al. If Loomis had been my only resource beginning I wonder if I would have made it. I don't feel they impaired my growth or left me with any bad habits or knowledge. I guess everyone learns differently but that's just my take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mizunodave View Post
    I used a couple Hart books when I got started and while I've since moved on I found them much more accessible to a complete novice than some of the more daunting books often recommended. I liked the clean linework and the mostly "show don't tell" approach. I felt like things were simplified to the basic, most important parts of the figure so that I could digest and get comfortable with those parts before moving onto Loomis et al. If Loomis had been my only resource beginning I wonder if I would have made it. I don't feel they impaired my growth or left me with any bad habits or knowledge. I guess everyone learns differently but that's just my take.
    Even for that, there are better options out there. The basic picture heavy/text light format, using step-by-step diagrams and building things up from simple shapes, has been around forever. The only unique thing Hart brings to the table is the low quality of his drawings, and his ability to churn them out in great quantity.


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    Probably true, I just like to provide counter balance to debates. Any particular recommendations of this type of book that the OP might benefit from?

    Oh, btw Elwell, I was just browsing some old threads about choices in graphite hardness and you made me lol with a comment I intend to steal and pass off as my own..."2B or not 2B, that is the question."

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    oh god, did I actually write that? I should be shot.


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    Quote Originally Posted by That fat kid View Post
    This is about the funniest thing I've read in quite awhile. Oh man, there are tears in my eyes from laughing.
    you're right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    oh god, did I actually write that? I should be shot.
    Let me do the honors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cory Hinman View Post
    No, no, let me!
    Nah, byotch wait your turn!

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    Looks like we got ourselves a firing squad!
    (but what's wrong with this picture?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cory Hinman View Post
    (but what's wrong with this picture?)


    I think that does the trick.

    (I say this with the intention of humor )

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    But...but..he's just laughing at us!
    AGAIN!

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    When will anyone realise that Deepinonepersona is intentionally picking provocative topics to a get rise out of us? And subsequently IGNORE him?

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    This thread reminds me when bunch of artists had to explain why buying this book

    wouldn't be a good investment considering artistic growth, even if the book had "helped" someone by enabling them to copy the images in the book. Good times.

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    It's OK, he's laughing with us



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    I have a sudden urge to purchase every bad how-to-draw book known to man, get people to redline every image in all of them, and mail them back to their publishers.

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    WOW I have never even heard of this guy. I typed his name in google images and now I can't quit laughing. Thanks for this.

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    Holy shit.


    Deepinpersona: Jusst get Loomis books, they are easy to read and understand and the text is written with more heart then anything that Hart can muster out of himself.

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    Nuuuuuu, Scholastic, you have fallen! D: (That... manga thing... almost makes me ashamed of ever having done work for Scholastic... What were they thinking?!)

    And Chris Hart is hurting my brain. I'd heard he was bad, but... wow.

    How the hell does this stuff get published?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by QueenGwenevere View Post
    Nuuuuuu, Scholastic, you have fallen! D: (That... manga thing... almost makes me ashamed of ever having done work for Scholastic... What were they thinking?!)
    And they actually published TWO! (Check out the inside sweetness from the Amazon preview)
    Then again these are old and were done by some 16 year old British girl. So I guess they were thinking money.

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    As far as step-by-step art books, I've learned a ton from Doug Chiang. I got Mechanika for Christmas and I've been reading through it. He doesn't cover much in the way of anatomy etc, but he gives so much information on his methods, a little bit on concept art as a career, and encourages using his information as a stepping stone to better things, not copying it directly.

    And when I was a kid I learned how to draw in 3D from Mark Kistler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron Impossible View Post
    It's OK, he's laughing with us

    Jesus, that's just...WRONG!

    Why skeleton sad?

    Skeleton drawn bad, him feel sad.

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