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    Boriol's Sketchbook

    So, I just registered for CA and looked at some sketchbook threads.

    What. The. Heck. I've been drawing all the wrong things for three years. EVERYONE here is better than me. I started drawing with the intention to become good enough to draw the characters from my stories, but that eventually turned into the desire to become a professional artist, and I've recently realized that starting out on manga was a HUGE mistake.

    So now, I join an elite site with amateur art so that I can actually make something out of my art "skills." At the same time, I want to improve my loli-ish manga style into something likable by more than just a small percentage of art fans.

    I operate on a low-end computer and an Intuos4 tablet, but most of my drawings are done traditionally, as my sketches in Sai and Photoshop usually don't turn out to my liking.

    As of now, I'll start my journey into a professional career.

    EDIT from November, 2011: Until somewhere on the 3rd page of this thread, the above statement is a lie. I was gone for almost a year and recently returned because I realized just how valuable this site is. I hesitate to associate myself with anything I posted before then.
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    Rocks that do NOT rock. I seriously need to get manga-style coloring out of my head. I need help, and my art teacher's always too busy with random people and their abstract paintings to do any full critiques. This is why the Internet owns.
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    It's great to that you've acknowledged the fact that you want to improve! that's the first great step. Next is just... study study study! After all the studying, you can then apply your knowledge of it into artworks and stories you want to tell.

    The fastest way to improve is to draw as much as possible. To flush out manga, maybe try to draw from life. Apples, plates, people, trees, everything you see!

    I can't critique because i'm an amateur, but I can say;keep going!
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    I was almost afraid to look when I saw that there was a reply here, but I got encouragement instead. *Huge sigh of relief*

    What you said was probably one of those things that I knew all along, but wouldn't acknowledge till someone pointed it out. Thanks.

    I don't want to phase manga out completely--I like drawing people who look nice, and manga people, by definition, are supposed to be beautiful (although some just fail). Still, it would be nice to have a solid style based in realism, but with the added aesthetic appeal of manga. Before I can do that, I should get realism down.

    Are there any techniques or anything that I should be aware of, going into concept art? Like, stuff I wouldn't know with 3 somewhat wasted years on a self-limited style (limited: no backgrounds, animals, vehicles, etc. All I drew was people, and mostly teenage/preteen girls at that)?
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    Everyone comes from somewhere, it's nothing to be ashamed of :] It's definitely admirable that you're motivated to broaden your talents and improve though, congrats! I started in kind of a similar situation, since when I was younger I started out trying to copy the anime styles too. I noticed right away how deeply it corrupts the ability to render in any other style, and since then avoided anime like the plague.

    You're absolutely right that it would be beneficial to solidify your skill in realism first and then modify your style back in the manga direction. One of the biggest faults I've seen with artists that draw purely anime style is that they have absolutely no knowledge of anatomy, and their art just looks like a carbon copy of every simplistic anime drawing out there.

    Just start sketching anything and everything :] Getting your hands on references and books to educate yourself on anatomy from is the most valuable move at the beginning. Doing some drawing studies from life or photos is also really useful for a lot of things, including colors, values, and adapting a painting technique.

    Basically just draw anything and everything. As always, the more you draw the better you get Act like the biggest sponge in the world and start trying all different subjects and themes and styles, and as you go we (and you) will start seeing where you're improving and favoring and I'm sure many here will help you along the way
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    By acknowledging the need to improve you're already on the road to becoming a great artist!

    That being said, I see that you've used the blurr tool in your rock painting. NEVER EVER do that. The blurr tool always lessens the picture. Just blend by applying stroke by stroke of closely varying colours! Or more varying colours if it's a dramatic lighting set (like a sunset)


    Also, to practice anatomy, try the 30 second gestures every day!

    http://www.posemaniacs.com/?pagename=thirtysecond
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    Well I would have to say that your backgrounds are a bit lacking but your definitely off to a good start, and your pencil work is pretty damn good. Your on the right track considering you noticed that starting out straight from anime style was not the easiest thing to do.
    But at least your didn't build your way up to a realistic-ish style then all of a sudden ignorantly get stuck only drawing manga style. Cause thats what I did and now it's really hard for me not to draw that way and I gotta re teach myself while I'm in college.

    Luckily for you, you seem to have an excellent idea of what your doing wrong and a pretty decent direction to go in to fix it.

    Hope you get the improvement your looking for and I'm looking forward to seeing some awesome updates soon
    FEEL FREE TO BASH OR LIKE MY SKETCHBOOK (either or is great fer me)
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    Featheredface, that posemaniacs site is really cool, I'll definitely be trying that out! :]
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    Welcome to the journey! Knowing where to start is an important part of the battle.
    I learned to draw in my friend's basement on xerox paper. It even had the water mark in the corner! Like you the 'art' we had in school was useless so this is a great place to hang out.

    I did a paint over of your rocks. When shading something abstract the easiest way is to try and block out the shapes. Choose a light source and try to think simply - things pointing away from the light source will be darker then things facing them. Block in the basic tones. (step 1)
    step 2- I just removed the lines from the first example. If your satisfied with your basic shading you can smooth out your edges, or sharpen them, depending on how you want your object to look. Bringing you to 3.
    After you get the hang of simple shading you will want to look into more complex things like reflected lights and how color effects the whole thing.
    Hope this is helpful!
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    Those rocks rock. The tutorials I find I DA could never produce that sort of result.

    -Posemaniacs - I think I've found a new addiction. Those 30 second drawings are actually really fun, if just a bit frustrating when I only have the shoulders done and it switches pictures.

    Just some random sketches. I highly disapprove of them, but you know what they say: never throw old pictures away.
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    My art teacher said something else: "We need to tear apart drawings sometimes" and that tearing apart was totally physical I usually keep my little drawings but there are times when they are simply too bad to exists

    Hm. I drew way worse than you after 3 years... Not like it matters much, I stll can't draw anything but some boring faces from easy angles *shrugs* But now I plan to speed up.
    There's practically always time ahead to improve. Don't look back too much, keep going forward.
    You are critical, it seems you see your flaws and you practice. You will improve. I don't see any reason to be disheartened. (I know what a reason for that. I experienced it.)

    I'm sorry I talked too much about me this time. I gladly criticize your faces if you draw them bigger By the way, the head 4 isn't bad. 5 is totally irrealistic, human skulls are different, look at some skulls, take attention to the jaw Sklls and therefore, heads can have very different shapes but the triangle shaped face that's so popular in manga and anime, that doesn't exist. And of course, if you used to that style, you better watch your eyes, eyes are pleaced very irrealistically in most anime and manga and their size usually is't normal either, of course.
    I don't really mind manga and anime as reference/inspiration, I definitely won't talk out anyone of it, let alone myself
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    Shinin, your sketchbook is titled "Beginning of a Long Way." Now, I feel more like that should apply to me. I've learned basic anatomy, so I'm not quite a COMPLETE beginner, but since I've been doing an unrealistic style for so long, making the transition feels like I'm actually BELOW the beginner level.

    Thanks for your feedback. I appreciate it.

    So, I tried a bunch of Posemaniacs drawings. I did 30 second sketches for about 20 minutes before the rest of my team (a game design team. Ironically, I'm the artist) arrived. Then I had to go back to manga because our game is a classic JRPG, but with a non-linear storyline.

    The drawings. They failed. I drew about 40 poses, I think. Then I watched a video sample on Posemaniacs and realized that I totally failed. I was just getting in rough guidelines and sometimes not even finishing those, whereas the people in the videos were whipping out a figure in 30 seconds that would have taken me 5 minutes or more. To spare the eyes of anyone who views this page, I didn't post them. The only good thing I can say about them is that they were in fairly accurate--not anatomically correct--poses, all up until I tried foreshortening.

    Beginning of a LOOOOONG way, more like it. I really want to make this work, though.
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    {I got carried away. Your post reminded me of many things. I try to behave but I have no self discipline.}

    You are AT beginner level Because you are a beginner. There's a big difference between a complete beginner and a beginner. One can be the latter for many years - it depends on the harshness of one's inner critic as well, of course
    I think I can't consider me a complete beginner, but I'm a beginner - who doesn't even really started. I studied anatomy and I can't even watch an anime without spotting out especially well made things that make impact and I had to make a screenshot of it... Tutorials, pro painters' wise words about old masters' works, books, whatever...
    I even know what I should practice a lot and how.
    I just practice very little and too cowardly. The area where I dare to do something is extremely tiny. Well these all get a bit better lately But I still avoid figures, for example. I failed at them too much, it hurts.

    I didn't see much of your drawings yet but looking at these... I think you are a promising beginner who can expect quick improvement in the beginning. You know some anatomy, your hand used to drawing lines... there are surely more They will help.
    Your last bunch of sketches tells me you can't be very bad.
    {Oh the complete beginners... even if their family and devart friends praise them and they themselves think they are good... how extremely crappy they can be. Seriously, when someone has no idea about the basic proportions of the face and body... I'm nice to the tiny ones but when they say they are good... Or if we can see any problem and present a really messed up scary figure, in 3 megapixels of course because resizing is very difficult for an artist wannabe... Then my inner artist starts to sharpen his already pretty powerful claws... I stops him to use his full power though. That would be unsighty.}

    But the drawings in your first post confuse me.
    I would understand if you had some great anime style simple thing - and you couldn't draw a realistic face at all.
    But your somewhat realistic stuff is better than the stylized ones...
    You remind me a bit of myself... Hm.
    In #1, the first are a cute sketch (from a very easy angle), the second is horrible, the third has some good and some bad points and a background I don't wish to comment. I think you have a huuuge room for improvement in regards of colors, but I personally thing the improvement isn't hard in the very beginning in this area. I may help you a tiny bit, not like I'm good with colors but I know a few things about them.

    A game... I'm the artist of a game too Poor game but the programmer is working on it extremely slowly too. And he don't give me specifications... I always got specifications for my tasks, I'm a programmer, not a creative one, after all... But now I'm the artist. poor game. It will be a Touhou style danmaku shooting thing with linear gameplay, many characters, deep plotlines and everything It based upon Touhou and a Haibane Renmei x Bleach fanfic the programmer wrote. Well he's writing it. Now his speed is, like, one chapter per year...?
    HR and Bleach are two anime that are so very different they can't be mixed. But he did it...
    {by the way... I worked with "artists" who barely did anything and that was crappy. and they missed the deadline. and they worked from home for a way bigger money like me, the programmer... one reason why I quit my job when I had no chance to find another soon }

    No, no, your sketches were practice. Practice is good. Even if the results aren't so great (little time and a beginner... why would they be good? it takes much skill I think)... even if they are really crappy... drawing them probably has some good effect. It's strange but it works this way. Once I drew some cartoon hands. They were bad. The next time I draw hands I felt I do it better.
    You made a mistake. I never watched such videos Don't compare yourself with others... Tegakids (I frequented Tegaki E for more than 2 years. almost everyone there could be my child... they're young and there are crappy and good ones. some of them are 14 and draw many times better than you or me. a great, expressive drawing can be made in minutes... and some of them make hundreds of them a day... for years... and there's text and deep RPing...) do it all the time too. When they aren't busy with crying over the fact they turned 18 or 17 or 15 and now they are old.
    You are in a race with yourself. You should do what you can. Do your best and have fun. The two are connected anyway.

    I got bored of posemaniacs soon but I did some 10 and 15 seconds drawing back then. They were surprisingly good sometimes... I'm sure I'm basically quick when I have some skills and/or am warmed up and in a good shape.

    Looooong way, you say? Good observation. I have improved in the last years but if I think about, I can't draw anything... Just faces from easy angles, without much expression and variety. With flaws at lighting. If I'm lucky and take my time.

    I want to see more pictures from you. You should draw a lot and put the result here!
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