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    What's up, Umbravita! Really solid updates.

    One thing you're forgetting is still life work. You can draw anything...from a pen sitting on your desk, to your cell phone...just make sure you spend a lot of time working from life.

    As for your plan, sounds good to me...you could put design principles and composition in there as well.

    Later and keep it up!

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    bish0p2004: Still life is a brilliant idea! I'll fix my list and post it up sometime. I wasn't sure if it was worth studying still life that isn't fruit and vegetables (why do people like fruits and vegies so much for still life?) but in retrospect that was hella silly of me. *Cough*

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    More Bridgmann arms. I'm taking my time as I go through the book to understand everything, to be thorough. I do come across some road blocks but it's good to nail down as much as possible, although I have to be careful with boredom and frustration.

    More tomorrow.

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    Moar Bridgmann.

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    Hey man! Im liking the recent paintings on previous page......and these bridgeman studies are pretty damn accurate i think. it shows your taking your time with them. Are you going through the hole book? I miss bridgeman think i gotta pull out the book again

    Try doing some from imagination after u think uve got good knowledge on the arms (i shud do that too :p ) take care man

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    Good job with the bridgeman studies dude. Way better than my shit

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    Aargh internet ate my reply.

    Tron: Thanks! Yup, I'm going to try go through the entire book. Thanks for suggesting doing some from imagination -- I thought I was learning but doing a few just now drove home the fact I hadn't, really. Aargh. Studies can be pretty tricky that way because you think you're learning and you're... not. You're just copying. Which is what I was doing.

    Damn it.

    So, thanks for catching that!

    Capt Surge: *Bonk* No self dewhatchamacallit in this thread, mister! But thank you.

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    hello Umbravita!
    I see you started with Bridgman! Good thing. But maybe start even more at the beginning, or take a look at Loomis' "figure drawing for all its worth". Because I think it would help you to start with something like the mannikin frame. It will help you to improve your gesture drawings and it will be easier to work on the details if you have some basics where you can attach them. But you can even use the Bridgman drawings to work on your lines. Bridgman has a nice variation of curves, straight lines and nice contrasts and movement overall. That's something you can try too for your own sketches.
    Keep up the studies! =)

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    (If you ever see "....." it's 'cause I have to upload my art from the other computer, and that keyboard makes my wrists hurt like nothing else so I always fix posts afterwards on my non-art comp.)

    Valyavande: Thank you! I never considered the mannequins, I'll dig up that PDF and give it a go tomorrow.

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    More arms. I have arms on the brain. Completely and utterly on the brain.

    First is Bridgmann, second is from imagination. And it quickly became apparent, "Aww, crap, I haven't actually been learning."

    Going to step it up tomorrow. Haven't been doing as much as I'd like. I find it difficult to focus on studies because it's quite monotonous, so my attention's all over the place and what could take three minutes sometimes takes ten or more per figure. Sigh.

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    Hey man, i feel ya when u say that studies can be boring and monotonous...

    even if u feel ur not doing enough each day, i strongly recomend you do at least 1 page like you have been doing, when the months fly by you will be pleased (hopefuly) with the amount of sketches / studies / etc. and it will become a habit and hopefully
    become easier.

    the arms are looking good if u get bored with studies just do some random sketches or doodles inbetween ! just remember small victories each day will add up to something bigger

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    Tron: A small step each day adds up to a larger journey. I need to stay consistent.

    Burnt out on art, after doing it consistently for a week. Darn it. Tried to do other studies, tried to do some from imagination but I just could not be stuffed.

    Did some gestures instead. At least they're quick and easy.

    ETA: Oh hey, turns out that's all I needed to get into the mood. But rather than post every day's progress I think I'll just dump them all into one post later, so that I'm not posting the same. Thing. Every. Day.

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    Colouring them helped me remember which muscles went where. Also, coloured some studies I already uploaded before.

    Shoulders.

    Did a page of doodles yesterday but there was nothing good in it so I scrapped that. Also tried to do a self portrait today but I just looked at it again and oh god it is awful and I just cannot be stuffed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Umbravita View Post
    bish0p2004: Still life is a brilliant idea! I'll fix my list and post it up sometime. I wasn't sure if it was worth studying still life that isn't fruit and vegetables (why do people like fruits and vegies so much for still life?) but in retrospect that was hella silly of me. *Cough*
    haha, yeah I'm not a huge fan of doing fruit still lifes, with the exception of maybe apples.

    But, anytime I can (like when I'm at work and I have some free time), I'm drawing pens, staplers, flowers, computers, etc...and sometimes the entire room. Just work through the boredom and monotony of it all and it will become something that you feel like you just have to do (at least that's what's happened with me). It becomes a fun challenge especially when you factor in the idea that if you can't draw from life, then you won't be able to draw from imagination very well.

    As for your sketchbook, your Bridgman studies are looking great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Umbravita View Post
    Did some gestures instead. At least they're quick and easy.
    If you think they're easy- you're doing them wrong.


    Quote Originally Posted by Umbravita View Post
    1. Construction
    2. Human anatomy
    3. Value
    4. Landscapes
    5. Plants
    6. Perspective
    7. Clothing
    8. Colour

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    Personally I prefer choosing a focus per session as opposed to big blocks of time, because the pieces of art are very connected. You can't study anatomy effectively if your perspective and proportions are weak. - You'll just be drawing people shapes- or muscle shapes, without really knowing how to construct them.

    I would amend the list into 2 categories:

    Beginner studies / Construction

    Basic Perspective -> Overlap, 1 and 2 point perspective and atmospheric perspective
    Gesture
    Proportion
    weight / balance
    Value
    Composition

    Intermediate studies
    Line quality
    anatomy
    Colour theory
    3 point perspective
    curvilinear perspective (or 4 point perspective)



    These: Clothing, Landscapes, Plants - are subjects- not fundamental studies.

    Valyavande made a good point. At your current stage I would take a step back from anatomy and put a strong emphasis on perspective, proportion and gesture. It's because you skipped ahead that you're so frustrated.

    Right now your gestures look like chalk outlines- your not giving much mind to the forms of the body.
    Do some longer poses 5-15 minuets and do some structural work. I like box men (example below) but the important part is relating the figure to perspective.
    Once you've got a better handle on the simple forms of the body in perspective then you add anatomy to your studies to refine your figure drawing.
    When it doubt- do more perspective. you can never get enough perspective.

    Hope this helps Keep up the good fight!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhubix View Post
    If you think they're easy- you're doing them wrong.
    Touché.


    Personally I prefer choosing a focus per session as opposed to big blocks of time, because the pieces of art are very connected. You can't study anatomy effectively if your perspective and proportions are weak. - You'll just be drawing people shapes- or muscle shapes, without really knowing how to construct them.

    I would amend the list into 2 categories:

    Beginner studies / Construction

    Basic Perspective -> Overlap, 1 and 2 point perspective and atmospheric perspective
    Gesture
    Proportion
    weight / balance
    Value
    Composition

    Intermediate studies
    Line quality
    anatomy
    Colour theory
    3 point perspective
    curvilinear perspective (or 4 point perspective)



    These: Clothing, Landscapes, Plants - are subjects- not fundamental studies.

    Valyavande made a good point. At your current stage I would take a step back from anatomy and put a strong emphasis on perspective, proportion and gesture. It's because you skipped ahead that you're so frustrated.

    Right now your gestures look like chalk outlines- your not giving much mind to the forms of the body.
    Do some longer poses 5-15 minuets and do some structural work. I like box men (example below) but the important part is relating the figure to perspective.
    Once you've got a better handle on the simple forms of the body in perspective then you add anatomy to your studies to refine your figure drawing.
    When it doubt- do more perspective. you can never get enough perspective.

    Hope this helps Keep up the good fight!
    This is amazing help. Thank you so much! I'll get back to structure and proportion.

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    Nice sketchbook! I need to agree both with p sage and Rhubix, great information! I believe you should put more time and thought to your studies Good luck!

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    really nice anatomy studies!
    I agree with Rhubix what she said about the gestures.
    I also think that your painting could use some value practice. Maybe just a small value study along side your current studies would help a lot
    Keep it up!

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    hey thanks for stopping by my sketchbook!
    nice work in here, great with the gestures to, but they look a bit stiff.
    I would suggest looking at vilppu for some flowy gestures

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    Hey Umbravita Nice sketchbook you've got here! And good to see you updating often.. Your Bridgman studies look great.. A little monotonous though, how about drawing it from life too - maybe your own arm in a mirror?

    Ooh, I'd thought of another fun way of learning those muscles would be to try and do the color coding on a photo, maybe pick a photo of a body builder (or a wrestler or someone) and outline those muscles you learned? You could cross check your guesses after you've done them too (or put em up here!).. I dunno if it would help, chuck the idea if it doesn't work for you!

    Have you checked out Pixelovely's Figure Drawing tool? I found it much better than posemaniacs, as it uses photos and not 3d models.. But nothing beats figuredrawing classes with a real model http://www.pixelovely.com/gesture/figuredrawing.php

    And yes, excellent advice from Rhubix, they're all inter-related!


    Hello! I'm trying to improve my artwork and I really could use your critique - S k e t c h b o o k
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    Bleh. So burnt out on studies but whenever I try to do something from imagination, nothing comes out.

    Thanks for all the crit and suggestions!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Umbravita View Post
    Bleh. So burnt out on studies but whenever I try to do something from imagination, nothing comes out.

    Thanks for all the crit and suggestions!
    You gotta push through...ask yourself, "How bad do I want it?"

    Also, don't forget that you can just fill up pages with straight lines and eclipses, and working on drawing cubes in perspective.

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    Keep up the good work man, i know it can be painful. Aim for consistancy, dont burn yourself out, just get in a nice, daily routine i will be watching !!! MUAHAHAHAHHAHA!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bish0p2004 View Post
    You gotta push through...ask yourself, "How bad do I want it?"

    Also, don't forget that you can just fill up pages with straight lines and eclipses, and working on drawing cubes in perspective.
    Discipline. A little each day, and I'll get better. Slowly, but surely.

    Back to work. Art doesn't draw itself, yanno.

    I have to think from the perspective of someone who draws every day. Not someone who wants to.

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    Got some stuff to post. Not putting it up right now though.

    For now I'd really like to start drawing landscapes but I have no idea where to begin there. I look at a picture for reference and try to draw it and... can't. So many tiny details, so damn difficult to render. Aargh.

    Where the heck does one begin from there? Perspective has a big part of it but... beyond that? IDFK.

    I might just bite the bullet, get over it, do the best I can do with one from reference and post it to the critique centre and get some advice. I have no idea where to start otherwise.

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    Not too much to show, unfortunately. Mannequins, anatomy, Elder Scrolls stuff.

    For the knee I used a study I found on deviantART, which I've since lost. If anyone recognises it let me know so I can credit.

    First mannequins weren't too good. Haven -- that's the lady in the weird pose, my Dunmer girl from Morrowind -- was, well. I used reference from the web cam but somehow it still came out stiff as hell and I can see mistakes everywhere but I CBF to fix so. Better mannequins.

    Then moar Elder Scrolls stuff. Wanders-the-Woods, my Skyrim Argonian vampy, a WIP I'll finish tomorrow. Her right leg you can barely see (our left) so I think I'll fix that and make it more prominent. She's supposed to be casting a healing spell but I haven't stuck it in yet, it'll go between her hands obviously. And after that is the most friendly Altmer in the world, Nirya. Rather than correcting the same pic over and over I preferred to try anew a few times to get it into my head and I sort of succeeded with the fifth attempt. (Number six is me trying a rough gesture.)

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    Few doodles to get me back into drawing, not anatomically correct, and a WIP.

    References:

    http://brokendivinity.deviantart.com...l-01-208131682
    http://wyldangel-stock.deviantart.co...ner-6-86360445
    http://syccas-stock.deviantart.com/a...a-12-290310022
    http://syccas-stock.deviantart.com/a...a-11-290309962

    Last two is World of Warcraft fanart. One of my favourite characters, Nalice, who sadly carks it in the latest major patch. *Sobs* Oh Nalice, it's okay, SOME people appreciate your nastiness!

    First is an example of her colour, second's the proper WIP. The lineart is really messy and inaccurate because there won't be lines in the finished version, those are just, uh, guidelines. *Ba dum dum chish* Thinking I should do some nose/lip/value studies before I continue with it, because I really want to push myself with her.

    Also I am going to give her spooky red eyes because I can.

    Crit is appreciated. Her torso looks a bit off to me

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    Still life. Just over an hour on this one, I'd say. It's not finished, it's abandoned, I'm sick of it already. Still, I quite like how it turned out. Better than I expected!

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    I just popped in (I do this again instead of drawing *sigh* my inner critic is much more powerful than my inner artist at the moment), without the usual "look at all the drawings" attitude of mine so I will take apart your drawings/paintings in #145 a bit, okay?
    I like the first version of your standing girl a better start. Maybe because 3/4 views are more promising, maybe... Front view sitting figures are harder to do. Of course, you need to play with either a lot more. The first one has spaghetti legs, where are her knees? Her arms and torso don't convey she has anything to do with weight or gravity either... Maybe I should try to show what I mean with an overpaint... Bad thing I can't draw figures well so it will be flawy too.

    The portrait. Well, a human or human like head has different proportions. I looked at your reference. The head is turned down slightly and it was shot from very near. that's why the face is bigger than usual. Still, you drew a too little cranium. The eyes should be vertically a bit lower than the center in this case (some people and books say eyes are vertically in the center viewed from the front; I experienced they are usually a bit higher, sometimes definitely higher and sometimes in the center indeed).

    EDIT:
    I probably will go back at look at all your stuff, now I just wish to comment something you wrote long ago and I don't know if you still think so. There's NO such thing as "too late to fix". It there's a messed up pic, working on it more won't help. Well sometimes you may totally abandon it if you can't stand to start over but you don't really have other options if you don't want to end up with a bad pic.

    What happened with your desire to draw great landscapes I wonder... But I totally must go and draw instead of staying there more Later.

    Problems with drawing from imagination? If you wish to see a hipocrit's opinion (it doesn't mean I don't have good advices and ideas. I just don't follow them. for a long long time. maybe one day I will), here it is. I know the feeling when you simply can't draw anything decent by yourselves. I think you may try to make it half... Use references as a base but change stuff you can do. If you feel you can't do nothing good enough, combine two references or more. Your brain will work differently and the result might be more interesting than just copying some boring stuff. Dunno. I don't know you. I just know it can be damn hard to do things even when you have great advices tailored to yourselves, grrr.

    Whatever, good luck! Don't give up and don't worry just put step after step.

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    ShiNIN -- Hey, sorry it took me so long to get back to you, but thanks for all that crit! I don't know if I'll go back to that piece 'cause it's been so long, but I might just do it over. Not sure.

    Yeah, as for landscapes I find them overwhelming. I've been avoiding them because of how difficult I find them. I have no idea how other people manage it. But, well, at some point I'll have to stop avoiding them if I want to do well there.

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    No posts, but a quick update to say that, yup, slacked off again for a while. *Sigh* I seem to work in short bursts for a while, then stop for a while, then on and off and on and off... bleh.

    Once again, I'm trying to establish a daily habit. Since I'm trying not to discourage myself I haven't been going for quality (hence why I'm not posting anything), I've just being doing quick sketches of stuff in my sketchbook with a ballpoint pen. I'm just trying to get myself drawing first, then once I've established the habit for a few more weeks I'll start worrying more about quality.

    I DO have a few studies that don't look too bad, though. I may be getting a scanner soon -- if I do, I'll scan 'em and put 'em up.

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    Reading and understanding a crit may have some use as well

    I think you should get some simple but spectacular refs, without little details. Those aren't that hard to paint, even without fancy brushes IMO. At least details and searching for the perfect brush is what makes landscapes so difficult and long to me.

    If you are like me, you really should draw daily. I'm always bad when skipping a few days. Occassionally, a little break should be needed (or unavoidable I was busy with bike riding for days) but if it's a habit, it should help.

    I'm looking forward to your new stuff.

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    Ack! I'm sorry if I gave you the impression your crit went ignored! That's not the case at all. If you're referring to what I said about landscapes, I meant that, yes, even with various references and so on, even the most simple of them feel overwhelming.

    I think I just need to get over my inner critic and let myself be godawful for a while until something clicks, aye?

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