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Thread: ChoW#225 :: Viking Berserker
December 9th, 2010 #181
master.mind - you are right it was bugging me a bit too. Easy fix
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Ingirun the Berserker and cat Hælgi
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hahaa awesome!My fav fo sho!
December 9th, 2010 #185
Thought I'd chew in on this CHOW also, lots of quality work in here!
The background is a bit distracting atm but perhaps I'll think of something, some crits and tips would be greatly appreciated folks..
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Just about done
His blood is boiling with adrenaline and alcohol and he feels no pain. His soul is a grizzly and he is possessed by the true animal instincts. He is a fierce warrior that does not seem to have any fear of death
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some penciles...i have an idea for an illustration but not sure if time will allow for it.
great work so far everyone.
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Great designs. Left my favourite.
Very much Nordic berserker
Really like your work.
I think you nail the character
I like it. He's looking like his about to go berserker.Perhaps a bit more space above his head. Why not have some Vikings holding him back before releasing him on the battlefield.
Thanks for the crit. Have been changing he's proportions.
Its coming along good in your update. I like the tree that's gives the environment and leads the eye to the berserker.
But perhaps dampen it a bit to get more attention to the berserkers silhouette.
Sorry for not critting more, there are a lot of awesome entries.
December 9th, 2010 #194
Neat topic! Just working on some sketches right now.
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December 10th, 2010 #195
Hey guys joining in on this one. Things finally slowed down again at work.
Crits welcome and appreciated! =)
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Really excellent work everyone!
I didnt feel right about posting the image in this thread but I will llink a shameless plug that fits this category nicely!! Hope you dont mind.. Call it inspiration if we have too
Again keep up the good work guys!
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December 10th, 2010 #198
Friday eve: That's wicked!The only thing I would say is for me her head is on the small side
Tbaldree: Love the look in his eyes. Like he's got an attic full of broken toys
December 10th, 2010 #199
so ok i have a few things to say defending myself, hope it wont be too harsh ( thats really not what I am attending to )
So first ( no offense ) but this is like the real norseman looked like (exept for the horns ^^) :
and this is what the CHoW description says :
# Stick to the original Norse setting (Viking)
# These warriors are not like normal Norse swordsmen, they are incredibly terrifying and their appearance alone should be horrific enough to scare away any opponents! sooooo:
MasterStryke: in comparison to a NORMAL , ORIGINAL SETTING Norseman i DO think mine is terrifying and not normal + yours looks not very different from mine (really no offense !)
FridayEve: really great style and execution! BUT sadly this has nothing to do with an original viking setting ( yeah I know woman in generel dont have anything to do with this setting either )
Juki: his hand in the foreground needs work, the thumb ussually should not be seen, and then you need to ad a few darker colors, at the moment it looks a bit flat
Paolo13: not much to say here, great work so far .
Sean McClain: the face needs some extra pencil-love , it looks a bit distorted and he squints a bit . and the chest muscles should be the other way round.
JanJager: very dynamic posing ! I know very obvious ^^
GEB: looks very crazy and i do like your execution so far, keep it up
so far , would like to comment more but i dont now exactly how to say it , in lack of the prop english skills
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December 10th, 2010 #200
partisan, im sure real norseman also had 2 legs haha, one like dissapears in that D:
allso it says that the berserker only has the bear coat for protection, not like a regular swordsman he don't need protect, he carraazzy
December 10th, 2010 #201
agree, but I have to crit your crit:
From when is this picture? Because this says everything.
Also ryanoir says it - I also doubt that the berserkkrs had had such a normal war equipment..
PS: wtf you don't offend, partisan. AT LEAST ONE said something related to my sketch.
Everyone who can't stand crits has no balls. So please do not fear to offend someone.
Crits please... Before developing the cloths and equipment I need to know, what is wrong with the basic..
That guy who makes a helpful overpaint of mine gets a cookie.
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December 10th, 2010 #202
MasterStryke: you cock faced mofo (tryna offend)
clean it up! draw the BIG shapes, it's so dirty your gonna feel like shit painting it D:
you can hardly make out whats what, you really needa define your negative shapes and BIG BIG BIG shapes bro! all this detail is worthless unless it has some nice BIG shapes for foundation! NOW GO DO IT FAAAAST (but dont rush ahha) CAUSE DEADLINES COMINNNNGGGG
December 10th, 2010 #203
Partisan is right though, many look really awesome, but have not much to do with vikings. Vikings do not have horns, pauldrons, double-bladed battle axes.
On top of that, vikings did not have much armour to begin with and berserkers have no armour at all (according to the stories at least). The whole idea of a berserker is that he storms in to battle nearly unprotected in a wild rage, not a heavily armoured tank.
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December 10th, 2010 #204
^^ i have to says one or two more things to defend myself afterwards I`ll shut up ,I´ll promise :
its said that they had a Bear or Wolf belt thats the etymology of the word itself + scientist arent quite sure yet which is the exact right etymology ( because the word for bear would be "bjorn" and the word for bare is "berr") but this doesnt meen that they did not had any other sort of protection and concerning the weapons i`ll just quote this one :
"The Úlfhéðnar (singular Úlfhéðinn), mentioned in the Vatnsdœla saga, Haraldskvæði and the Völsunga saga, were said to wear the pelt of a wolf when they entered battle. Úlfhéðnar are sometimes described as Odin's special warriors, with the pelt from a wolf and a spear as distinguishing features."
"In earlier studies, the element ber- was often misinterpreted as berr-, meaning "bare", understood as indicating that the berserkers fought naked. This view has since been abandoned."
another referrence :
"I'll ask of the berserks, you tasters of blood,
Those intrepid heroes, how are they treated,
Those who wade out into battle?
Wolf-skinned they are called. In battle
They bear bloody shields.
Red with blood are their spears when they come to fight. [...]"
- Haraldskvæði, a skaldic poem composed by Thórbiörn Hornklofi in the late 9th century in honour of King Harald Fairhair, as ulfheðnar ("men clad in wolf skins"). [WIKIPEDIA]
so they had pretty normal wargear ^^and if they do used spears and shields i think there might also be a little chance they had a small metallic plate ( which is the only "armor" i gave my guy )
and if anyone of you is able to transalte this from german you might also get a deeper insight :
Das Wort Berserker ist ein Wort des Altnordischen, formal ein Kompositum. Der zweite Teil serkr wird einhellig als 'Gewand, Waffenrock' gedeutet. Bezüglich der Erstkomponente gibt es unterschiedliche Annahmen, von denen zwei diskutiert werden. Einerseits wird eine Verbindung mit einem Wort für Bär, obwohl dies im Altnordischen bjorn lautet, erwogen (Lloyd / Springer). Andererseits argumentiert McCone, dass es sich bei den Berserkern den Beschreibungen nach um leichtes Fußvolk gehandelt habe und daher ein Vergleich mit bar 'bloß, frei' angebrachter sei. Näsström verweist darauf, dass schon aus praktischen Gründen die Verwendung eines Bärenfells mit einem Gewicht von ungefähr fünf Kilogramm eher hinderlich und unpraktisch sei. Alexander Jóhannesson schreibt dazu: berserkr ... zum Adjektiv berr nudus, vgl. Andrésson 1683: miles, qui sine armis, lorica balea &c. pugnat, auch Bj. Halld. (1814): indusio tantum non lorica indutus. vgl. auch Snorri: fóru brynjulausir. Man geht heute eher davon aus, dass die Bezeichnung der Raserei entnommen ist, wie ein Bär oder Wolf zu kämpfen. Dies wird mit den in den nordischen Sagas oft geschilderten Verwandlungen, die auch hier im Zusammenhang mit dem Werwolf bekannt sind, in Verbindung gebracht.
it basically says that the word "berserker" has to be read :
A) in a methaphorical sense , which means that they were reffered to fight like a bear or wolf , this in head they were related to the actual transformation in to an animal which is an usual metaphor and also a strong socio cultural belief in this time often used in nordic sagas
B) it is beliefed that the term "berserker" is by descriptions from this time-period a term for light infantry, and it is by belive of a scientist named McCone, very hindering to fight with a large bearskin on your back.
Also in mind we do think of Vikings as tall musclepacked hulks actually most people of this timeperiod were like 1,60-1,70m tall, especially this time period ( 8th-12th century) the man became about 2 cm smaller and a final quote (sadly again a german one) :
Marie Louise Bauer ist der Auffassung, dass diese Beziehungen nur für Durchschnittsgrößen aufzustellen sind: „Ich bin groß, deshalb bin ich immer optimal ernährt worden“ sei ein Fehlschluss, da die Körpergröße sehr stark genetisch beeinflusst werde. - http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6rpergr%C3%B6%C3%9Fe
SO WHAT I WANT TO SAY BY USING ALL THIS REFERENCE IS :
dont be HYPERCRITICAL none of us has drawn a correct image of a berserker
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December 10th, 2010 #205
Yes people were shorter in the dark ages then they are now. But not vikings, vikings were about as tall as people are today due to a healthy diet of loads of fish and vegetables.
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CHOW #225 Matias
Wow, this round is going off!! Some many great entries, the vote is gonna be fierce!
Heres my sketching so far. I found it interesting how my first instinct of a berserker was immedialy 'dual-wielding', I see alot people thought the same, just made me wonder about the effect of games/media using the same archetypes, I always find myself doing them again and again.
Had so much trouble with his legs, he was one of those additional sketches on the page that just run off the edge, d'oh, once I got it into photoshop I had a hell time trying to figure out what I had hinted at with my sketch!
I still kinda prefer the guy I was initially going to go with but we'll see!!
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A berserker giving the classic moody conan look..
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