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    Why whining is a sign of laziness...and other things...

    For those of you who constantly whine about not having any ideas...

    Did it ever occur to you that you might be thinking too big? Over time, I'll post a number of [examples i create myself when I have the time] below that deal with the simple things in life...the world seen through the eyes of a child, everyday things that just run from normal to ridiculous through misunderstandings, and the greatness of the tiny things that we all come across everyday and often ignore. Try emptying your mind and letting the fluff get in once in a while. Use a magnifying glass instead of a telescope, and travel to Jupiter in a cardboard box once in a while. It might be helpful...

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    I'm going to be adding [examples of all types as i create them myself, thus guaranteeing that there wil be no concerns, even as far as Fair Use is concerned]...feel free to do the same, but remember to stay to the thread theme... When it starts to drop in interst, I'll move it to the P.O.W.! Reference section...[and please don't post any links, photos, art, or comic examples that are not provably in the public domain or that you didn't create yourself]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilaekae View Post
    Use a magnifying glass instead of a telescope, and travel to Jupiter in a cardboard box once in a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pigeonkill View Post
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    Can imagination bloom even on a battlefield?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HunterKiller_ View Post
    Can imagination bloom even on a battlefield?
    If inventiveness has anything to do with it then yes. Two world wars and a cold war has been the basis of a lot of modern technology. Not to mention art and culture.

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    I thought whining seems lazy because its wasted time with no real outcome.
    I'd rather make breakfast than whine about not having any yet.

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    Very good idea.

    Also, stand up comedians often talk about the little things.



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    Whining is not laziness!

    I've walked away from many encounters with whiners struck by the amount of effort classic whining expends in demonstrating the world is against you.

    It's far easier to just produce something. Anything. Just...start.

    And thanks for raising the larger point, and providing inspiration!

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    Don't think of whining as laziness, think of it as really cheap therapy!

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    I've never quite gotten the no idea thing - half of my little brainless warm up sketches before I get working turn into some project I'll get to "some day". Thanks for starting this topic, Ilaekae - I see it potentially becoming a favorite of mine.



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    If inventiveness has anything to do with it then yes. Two world wars and a cold war has been the basis of a lot of modern technology. Not to mention art and culture.
    AND medicine.

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    This is the manga Walking Man, and it's about going for a walk and seeing things like rabbits and birds. It's that simple.

    http://www.narbonic.com/walking_shattered.jpg

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    A lot of whining about the lack of ideas is caused by the fact that many of us have gotten into the rut of dealing with "the now world" in a purely visual way. Art is not rendering...art is thinking--something most of us do too little of.

    Sitting on a park bench and LOOKING for a subject/idea to draw is limiting. For example, there's a flower. An amateur decides to draw the flower. A pro looks at the flower, closes his book and thinks about the flower.

    What does it remind me of?

    • My 6-year-old in her stupid flower suit from the school play, scowling at me in embarrassment?

    • The embroidered symbol on the Korean jackets that bunch of kids was wearing that just walked by? Where are they going? Up to no good, or going to school? Why do they have a flower on their jackets in the first place? "Hi! Quiver in fear, dude! We're the dangerous lavender posy gang!" Heehee...are they gonna ask me to turn over my water bottle and secret fertilizer stash at knife point?

    • My ex-GF always wore that color...wonder what she's doing now? Still plotting the overthrow of the world?

    What does the flower eat, and how?

    • If I sat here long enough, would it send out a tendril and suck me dry through my toes? Maybe it'll bite me if I pet it, so should I offer it a passerby as a token treat first?

    • Wonder if it actually likes the taste of dirt? Maybe it has a dirt cellar somewhere with vintage soils from all over the world that it breaks out when it's friends come over to visit?

    Can it see me, too? If so, what is it thinking? Does it see me as an enemy or just something to eat?

    • Maybe it's waiting for its adult teeth to grow in, so sitting here too long might not be good...

    • What if it's an alien? Who'd know? He has a lot of friends, and nobody ever notices him...maybe he's just waiting for the mother ship to arrive...or his mobile carnivorous parents to pick him up?

    • Soft...and lavender... Gran'ma, is that you?




    You see a flower...and you think for a few minutes. Now...what are you going to draw?

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    You mean Mars. And the Jurassic Period. The latter more than once.

    Also, isn't Yostuba kinda the same thing?

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    I LOVE Yotsuba. It's kind of the same thing, but more along the lines of "Wow! This is new!" than the surreal feeling that runs through Ryu-Shika Ryu-Shika. I have a real thing for comics and mangas that center around little kids inter-acting with adults in a no-holds-barred kid way. It's almost impossible to come up with that kind of thing without being one yourself...or totally blasted all the time...

    I always felt that artists should read more good stories about very young children, because their brains are so delightfully short-circuited.



    ADD: For those of you who have no clue what we're talking about...Yotsuba is the lead character in a long-running manga called Yotsubato, about a hyper little girl who just lets what ever's in her head kind of pop out spontaneously, much to the embarrassment/chagrin/amazement of just about everyone around her. The secondary characters are also well-developed, which makes it a rather funny pun-filled read for grownups.

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    Yotsuba's like that, but with awesome sprinkles.

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    This isn't linking chapters to comic book illegal in this website?

    Since this is been sold in world:
    http://www.amazon.com/YOTSUBA-1-Azum.../dp/1413903177

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    To me lack of ideas means that you are looking in the wrong place. Ilaekae makes a very good point. i read the Watercolor Artist magazine. A few issues ago, there was an article about an artist that paints textures...old rusting cars, doors, etc. but, he doesn't paint the entire object. instead, he does the extreme closeup. He painted a beautiful image of the front left grill work of an old Ford Pickup. He painted the doorknob and surrounding door, with all of it's peeling paint, etc.

    inspiration is where you find it, period. Nothing more, nothing less.

    If you are "stuck" for an idea...try a tutorial. There are tutorials out on the net for everything....watercolors, acrylics...you name it...it's there. It will teach you a new skill or help you to find a new technique. you are only limited by what you can learn or imagine.

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    Flashback, it's illegal to post links to pirated software on the site. The comics that are scanalations and posted on various sites fall into a rather gray area because most were translated by volunteer fans before official translated rights were granted to publishers and are never posted to make money, but technically may break (or come close to breaking) copyright law in most countries. It also may fall under fair use in some cases, depending on the site/country. The comic sites and translations themselves are often "unofficially" tolerated by the original publishers because of the lack of official translations.

    To play safe, and to observe the intent of the site, I'll remove the two links.

    Thanks for your comment and concerns.

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    Nah there's no grey area. They don't have the right to copy and distribute the scans. The translations themselves, yes, but they're not in a legal grey area like people like to think to make themselves feel better. The thing they could do that would be actually legal would be to post a translated script for people to follow along with, which used to be pretty common back in the day but this is so much easier to read that no one bothers.

    Comics publishers don't "unofficially" tolerate them either, manga publishers have been actively trying to get sites like Mangafox and Onemanga shut down. :v Just a little bit of info in there for ya.

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    Great advice, Ilaekae. I'll be taking that to drive my imaginative sketches this week.

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    We always seem to have a tendency to veer into legal problems here rather than speak about something constructive. I'll remove all the mangas and any reference to anyone else's art in any way above to keep the thread on track, and figure out another way to get across my point, not that my point is all that important to start with...

    Thank you all for concerns and information.

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    We always seem to have a tendency to veer into legal problems here rather than speak about something constructive. I'll remove all the mangas and any reference to anyone else's art in any way above to keep the thread on track, and figure out another way to get across my point, not that my point is all that important to start with...

    Thank you all for concerns and information.
    I think the point is important. Finding innovative solutions, having a keen eye is just damn hard. Lazying around isnt. Its easier than whining but...whining is easy after a few trys.

    I dunno, I know alot of people dont like Shin-Chan, and the kid is sorta off an underage pervert, but I think the artist does a good job of showcasing a trouble maker kid, also shows enough signs of a sort of naive innocence in the stuff shin chan pulls off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilaekae View Post
    We always seem to have a tendency to veer into legal problems here rather than speak about something constructive. I'll remove all the mangas and any reference to anyone else's art in any way above to keep the thread on track, and figure out another way to get across my point, not that my point is all that important to start with...
    Yes, and when it comes to the purpose of education which is clearly the purpose now that just isn't necessary. I thought the united states had a 'fair use' law for that?

    Or to qoute it:
    "the fair use of a copyrighted work (...) for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright"

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    Yes, but those websites didn't have the intentions of having the fair use law in mind, and you still need to give sources to said products.

    Also fair use is open to interpretation that's why it's such a weapon against copyright laws.

    Lastly a question for you: why do I need to pay for the videos above if my intentions are to learn, research, criticize, or comment ?

    Here's is the actual fair use of the United States:
    http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flashback View Post
    Yes, but those websites didn't have the intentions of having the fair use law in mind, and you still need to give sources to said products.

    Also fair use is open to interpretation that's why it's such a weapon against copyright laws.

    Lastly a question for you: why do I need to pay for the videos above if my intentions are to learn, research, criticize, or comment ?

    Here's is the actual fair use of the United States:
    http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html
    I don't want this thread to derail since Ilaekae already warned for this. So I have created a new topic since I do think it isn't really clear what is fair use for most users. Especially people who aren't from the united states (like me) could use some explanation.

    the topic: klick

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    If I can't think of anything to draw, I usually draw something that's lying near me. E.g pencil sharpner, hairdryer, book w/e

    Sounds a bit odd but then once you start suddenly ideas come into your head I find. As for imagination, I sometimes then look at these supposedly *boring* objects and maybe try to switch colour or do something different with them.

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    All things can be interpreted by those of another culture without being destroyed--art, music, literature, and even how we perceive the human condition. Those of you who rail at the drop of a hat about this versus that, and that versus this really don't have a single damn clue about what "art" is all about, and by extension, probably not a whole lot else either. Remember this the next time you express "your humble opinion" without investigating first.

    I have an original vinyl album I bought in 1966. It called the "Missa Luba" (1965) and if you have never heard it, or don't understand why I'm mentioning it here, view the items below on YouTube.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToNb-...eature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIxEP...eature=related

    Which leads to another thing that will be of interest to anyone who ever wondered whether anything can be truly "new" and "original."

    In 1968, a film was made in Great Britain.

    Before there was the mass-media dwelling on homosexuality in schools, the hypocrisy of the "ultra-religious," bullying, Columbine, and Malcom McDowell becoming a star in "Clockwork Orange," there was Lindsay Anderson's "IF" ... and if you don't know what the connection between all of these is, maybe this will help, again on YouTube...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=500Ch...eature=related

    Now think about the fact that one culture's interpretation of another's great music ended up as part of the score in a movie that seems to predict the state of culture in the United States...over 40 years later.

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